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LaVerdad
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Such an estute and educated professional! He forgot to put his name, title, date and school on his paper. 
I am for accuracy, I would like to research his paper. I think I will call the school directly to gather details for our mitos page.
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Don't ya just love the contradiction in these sentences:
The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight.
The students throw away the food, but they are obese? 
Look, I work with the food program that provides these free meals and I can tell you right off the bat, IF food is getting wasted that badly, that's the schools fault, not the students. A school is REQUIRED to serve a child regardless of whether the child eats the food or not. To serve a child means placing a plate in front of that child. If a child is not present, then the school does not count that child for the free meal. In other words, if the children did not go to school because they were protesting, then that means the school should NOT have made food for those students.
But, free meals does not mean that the meals are the only thing getting paid for. The cooks get paid from the states reimbursement. If the school needs pots and pans, that's included with the check. Whoever files the required paper work gets from 10-15% of the reimbursement. The meals are the cheapest of the cost. Even the rent of the building can be reimbursed when it comes to Title I schools. Like I said, the meals are the cheapest.
Sorry, I just got up to there and knew the rest was a bunch of crock.
Honestly, I could care less if I have to pay extra taxes for a childs education or meals. I'd rather it go for that than to having children needlessly incarcerated or for a needless war or to defend stupid lawsuits because of idiots like this one who want to violate the constitutional rights of others. 
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My response to the person that sent me the e-mail:
General observations:
She could not know the legal status of her students, as schools are not allowed to ask.
E-mail blends a few truths with many falsehoods.
Assumes illegal immigrants receive welfare benefits, but the truth is that illegal immigrants and legal immigrants with less than five years resident status are barred from nearly all federally funded welfare benefits. About half of the states provide benefits to legal immigrants with less than five years of permanent resident status, while the other half provide none. Prior to the 1996 federal bar, eligible legal immigrants used welfare benefits at half the rate of eligible U.S. citizens. There is no scientific study showing immigrants come to the U.S. to receive welfare benefits. Colorado spent $2 million on a big study to determine whether illegal immigrants use welfare, and found essentially none.
Crime rates for both legal and illegal immigrants are lower than for citizens. By the third or fourth generation, crime rates equalize to those of citizens not descended from recent immigration. That’s assimilation, but probably not the sort we’d like to see.
50% of illegal immigrants live below the poverty line, as do 25% of legal immigrants, and about 11% of citizens.
Anyone picking tomatoes to earn a living would use more government services than paying in taxes. Replace illegal immigrants working in low skills jobs with citizens and the cost of government services would greatly increase because the citizens would be eligible for welfare programs while illegal immigrants are not eligible for most government services such as welfare, Medicaid, etc.
TOMATOES AND CHEAP LABOR
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.
From a California school teacher - - -"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you
should be aware of: The protests are not just by illegal immigrants, but many legal immigrants and citizens are protesting as well.
I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.
Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a
full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays
and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK) The way I understand reduced price (not free) program is that qualified children receive a discount against what they would have to pay. There’s no reason why a school would have to buy much more food than eaten by students. It is true that poor illegal immigrant children receive discounted meals.
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The
school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK) Again, how does she know the legal status of her students? U.S. citizen teenage girls get pregnant and go to school too.
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial.
I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative
students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students
here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things
that the teachers were in tears.
Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this
country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements? (Again, illegal immigrants don’t receive most welfare benefits).
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and
they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind
really think they will voluntarily leave and return?
There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way. Typical for the xenophobe lobby: always throw in a disclaimer that they are only against illegal immigrants, to avoid the charge they are racist. Their illegal immigrants are invariably Hispanic, though at least 30% of illegal immigrants aren’t Hispanic. The truth is that xenophobes are often not racists, but there are white supremacists behind or embedded into many of the anti-immigrant groups. A good example would be the large Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform (FAIR), which received millions in funding from the Pioneer Fund, a notorious white supremacist organization that for decades also funded research studies to prove that whites are superior to non-whites. FAIR also spawned 13 other anti-immigrant groups, creating the impression the extreme anti-immigrant movement is much larger than reality. In Washington, the radical anti-immigrant organizations are referred to as “astro-turf” because they try to present themselves as mainstream “grass roots” organizations but in reality are fringe groups.
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and
dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do anything about it. (Now that’s odd…I’ve met quite a few Latin Americans that are educated and value education. Sounds like a stereotype to me). Several credible studies show Hispanic immigrants do assimilate. Descendents of immigrants with poor educational attainment require more generations to normalize with the native born population, while children of college educated immigrants have equal educational attainment to citizens. Children of U.S. born parents with low educational attainment also have lower educational attainment. Several credible studies also show Hispanic immigrants highly value learning English. Slow assimilation has more to do with poor education of the first generation than any attitudes against assimilation.
If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know. CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he
pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. (not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants are barred from welfare programs)He qualifies for food stamps. (not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants are barred from welfare programs)
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care. (illegal immigrants qualify only for emergency Medicaid, and most legal immigrants are barred from federal funded Medicaid as well).His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school. (True)
He requires bilingual teachers and books. (True)
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. (True)
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. (Not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants do not receive SSI).
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. (Also not true)
All of this is at taxpayer's expense. He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance. (no statistical basis to make this statement)
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. (true – however many legal immigrants and citizens speak Spanish as their first language. Puerto Ricans in particular speak Spanish as a first language, and they are native born citizens, not immigrants.)
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits. (Doubtful emergency Medicaid and school lunches add up to this)
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayer's also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up. (Statistics show immigrants, both legal and illegal, commit less crime than citizens. As the descendents of immigrants assimilate, crime rates meet those of citizens by the fourth generation).
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people . . . .
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iamme
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Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he
pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. (not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants are barred from welfare programs)He qualifies for food stamps. (not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants are barred from welfare programs)
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care. (illegal immigrants qualify only for emergency Medicaid, and most legal immigrants are barred from federal funded Medicaid as well).His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school. (True)
He requires bilingual teachers and books. (True)
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. (True)
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. (Not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants do not receive SSI).
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. (Also not true)
All of this is at taxpayer's expense. He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance. (no statistical basis to make this statement)
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. (true – however many legal immigrants and citizens speak Spanish as their first language. Puerto Ricans in particular speak Spanish as a first language, and they are native born citizens, not immigrants.)
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits. (Doubtful emergency Medicaid and school lunches add up to this)
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayer's also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up. (Statistics show immigrants, both legal and illegal, commit less crime than citizens. As the descendents of immigrants assimilate, crime rates meet those of citizens by the fourth generation).
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people . . . .
This idiot also forgets that not all undocumented immigrants come here with 5 children or earn 5 to 6 an hour. I know MANY undocumented immigrants that earn well above 9 an hour. Construction and pipelining are very well paid jobs. I believe that farm labor is the lowest paid job for immigrants, and even so, you're talking about minimum wage.
Having experience with the paper work of food programs, I can tell you this much, many parents refuse to provide Social Security numbers. I personally know many of these parents, so I know why they would refuse to give a SS#  . Now, the reason a SS# is needed is because if a parent is low income they qualify for free meals. No SS#, then they automatically become "Paid". Paid and Reduced doesn't mean a child does not get a free meal or that they have to pay anything. Children, regardless of whether they are rich or poor, will get a free meal. "Free", "Reduced", and "Paid" just means the school will get reimbursed at a different rate based on a childs meal catagory and the number of children enrolled. In order for ANY school to qualify for "Free Meals" they have to have more "Free" and "Reduced" students than they have "Paid", atleast 25% of enrollment. So, if you have 100 students, all you need is 25 or those students to be free or reduced in order for all 100 to qualify for free meals. A thing to keep in mind: Schools DON'T HAVE TO participate in these programs. A school can say "Bring your own lunch". The only reason they don't is because they get money from the reimbursement, because in reality, the school is paying for the food, not our tax dollars. Our tax dollars are just reimbursing the school for having paid for the food that they really didn't have to buy in the first place. Not to mention all the other details the schools want to get reimbursed for, like the ink for the printer that printed their paper work, the paper to print the paper work, the pens, soap, laundry detergent, pots and pans, brooms, mops, thermometers, ovens, toasters, refridgerators, water treatments, even a remodeling of the kitchen!!
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tony_cheek
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and that, in a nutshell, is what it's all about.
Money.
And lest we forget, the more money schools bring in, the more money they can pay their teachers, especially when they're getting extra for that Masters and PhD in education, regardless of what they teach or their capabilities.
And also, lest Ms. Patriot forgets, if it wasn't for those ungrateful little whelps she derides, she wouldn't have a job.
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bob1388
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I have my doubts whether she is even a school teacher. The whole e-mail has a fake quality about it.
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bob1388
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Yes, to the xeno crowd those quinceñera parties look like an alien invasion and a threat to our republic and way of life. Better to nip it in the bud!
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http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=63417
And then there's this guy.
"Dear Latinos: Screw You"
He disagrees with something that a few Latinos did, but yet he gives the "screw you" to all Latinos. This seems to be a common trait that many ALICRAPPERS have. They have contempt for an entire group based on the actions or statements of a minority of the group's members.
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I think "This guy" is really a girl. I mean, what do you expect from someone with a handle "swatchick"? That's a short nickname for "swat(ztika)chick".
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Yes, to the xeno crowd those quinceñera parties look like an alien invasion and a threat to our republic and way of life. Better to nip it in the bud! I've only been to one of these, and it was a great party. Everyone had a great time. Most of the guests were non-Hispanics, and I don't think anyone was offended by the celebration. |
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Let' just say that ANYONE that can afford a Quincenera at Disney is more than likely going to be a legal Hispanic. Sheesh!! I was lucky to even have chicken sandwiches for my Quince, and I'm pushing it by even calling it a Quincenera. It was more of a cook out. 
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I wonder how many xenos complain about illegal immigrants likely present at St. Patty's Day partys?
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Here's another one. A news article talks about how Hispanic immigrants add "spice" to North Carolina.
http://tinyurl.com/2blqze
Sample responses:
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Hispanics Say They Add Spice to U.S. Melting Pot Interesting...........from what I heard............ THEY ADD CRAP TO OUR FOOD I think they've got this one confused
They also add diseases, thousands of anchors, and numerous drunk drivers. They are also adding many American graves with their murders and drugs.
I never knew poo was spice...another job... Americans won't doo!
And "W" 'hisself' chimes in:
This is not news. This is complete warm fuzzy fluff propaganda.
W
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