I am beginning to wonder if this has something to do with the attack that Lou recently experienced. It could be. And maybe he is afraid to say so. Maybe they are threatening his family members? Its possible. Then that begs the question......are some of our legislators being threatened in a like manner? Is that why this weird tendency to support illegal entry is so pervasive? Just wondering...

If people are being threatened...and afraid to make that info public....then it would explain a lot wouldnt it? If this is the case, what would be an effective course of action?

Maybe the Death Threats, and the shooting at his wife broke him? A person can only take so much.

We are in for an endless tough ride, for after the first amnesty, more will flood in untli we have another 40 million.

We do not have 40 million but if we do not start eforcement we will. It does no good to overstate a real problem whether it is global warming or illegal immigration.

Richard, where was it "overstated" in this thread that we have 40 million illegal aliens? I looked through all posts, and couldn't find it. I didn't read every word of transcript, though.

It probably is a moot question anyway, because I actually don't think that "40 million" IS overstating the problem. I often agree with you Richard, but not on this one. I know you can argue that technically the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. as of today is not 40 million. But to me that is like using a legal technicality to let a guilty criminal go free (e.g. Bill Ayers), and minimizing the reality of a situation that is too often minimized.

First, the problem is usually way understated. You also probably usually see the figure of "12 million" illegal aliens reported in most articles. That number has been used for the past 7-10 years. That would mean no new illegal aliens for the past 7-10 years. We all know thats ridiculous. The real number of illegal aliens now is closer to 20 million. Reporters just regurgitate numbers without investigating.

Second, I think one of the biggest problems with this issue is the anchor babies. I know they are technically "legal", because of the perversion and misapplication of the 14th amendment. But when I figure the numbers and statistics, I automatically add the 20 million "legal" anchor babies to the 20 million illegal aliens, because that part of it should not be ignored. (However, I do specify where I'm getting those numbers.)

Third, I also think people need to understand the full ramifications if an amnesty happens. Not only will we suddenly have the 20 million illegal aliens made legal, we have their 20 million anchor babies, and then we will also have 20 million MORE new "legal" residents, probably within 10 years, when the amnestied bring over all their relatives through chain migration.

Add all this together: That is 20 million + 20 million + 20 million = 60 million within about 10 years.

Estimates from the US Census Bureau itself are that there will be an increase of 100,000 million people in the U.S. within 50-60 years. 100,000 million! A 33% increase within the lifetimes of some ALIPACers, or at latest their children! And according to the U.S. Census Bureau itself, the far majority of these will be because of immigration.

I think the majority of Americans really don't know how BAD the problem is, rather than it being OVERSTATED.

Also nobody has taken into account the numbers of those here on over stayed visas, passports, work permits and education grants refugees . College towns now look like Babel all compliments of American tax payers .

10 years is naive too, imo . They will get to bring in their families from all over the world in chain migrations . Some have several wives and 30 or 50 kids , then the inlaws on both sides ! Say they only bring in 10 each , add it up .


I say we have 10 weeks to fight it and 10 months before it all over but the crying and dying .

NOamNASTY - Give me a break. I was in agreement with you that 40 million is actually an underestimate. The rest of us are not naive. I was purposely being conservative with my numbers, in response to Richard's comment, to show that even with conservative estimates 40 million is NOT an overstatement. If you want to add more, fine. I know full well the numbers are bordering on astronomical.

Yes, others of us are aware of all those here who overstay temporary VISAs (they SHOULD already be included in illegal alien numbers), AND the fact that many illegals have MORE than two anchor babies per couple, AND will bring in more than one relative each with chain migration.

Yes, it is an invasion of unprecedented proportions. And yes, if amnesty happens, it will be MANY MANY more than 40 million. We can just double that number, and within a matter of a few years.

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