ALIPAC - American-Latino Immigrants Proudly Assisting the Community

If you’ve ever encountered someone who rages about bilingual Betty Crocker instructions or bilingual signage and Spanish language music in Sears or J.C. Penney (“J.C. Centavo”), then you’ve encountered ALIPAC.US. ALIPAC.US doesn’t know much about illegal immigration, but they sure know one when they see one! ALIPAC.US's illegal immigrants have brown complexion and speak Spanish in public, and are often found working at farms, restuarants, etc. ALIPAC doesn’t even need to see legal documents to determine their legal status either!

Here's the classic collection of ALIPAC xenophobia and latent racism, originally posted by Buford at HispanicBusiness.com:

www.hispanicbusiness.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8275&SearchTerms=

They say they’re not anti-Hispanic or anti-immigrant but anti-ILLEGAL immigrant. That’s not true for many of them. Every now and then I'll surf the net and note something that these people comment. They claim that they are merely anti-illegal immigrant, and they stress the illegal part. They claim that they have nothing against legal immigrants and Hispanic and Latino people. But that's not the case.
   
Not only are they against illegal immigrants, but they are against Latinos, Mexico, Hispanics and anyone who doesn't hate these people. Below are just a few examples. I got most of the material from ALIPAC because I'm lazy, and ALIPAC is just overflowing with good examples.

http://tinyurl.com/2e7su3

Here a bunch of participants lament the fact that Betty Crocker includes directions in Spanish with their products. They say they only object to illegal aliens and that they do not object to Hispanics or legal immigrants. This thread shows just how absurd that claim is. In reality, they just don't like Hispanic people or the Spanish language.

http://tinyurl.com/ypbnl3

Here's a thread about some nit-wit who was offended by people in a department store speaking Spanish and by the overhead radio playing music in the Spanish language. Even William Gheen, president of ALIPAC, chimes in to suggest that she should have complained to management. He suggests that she not go back to the store again until the Spanish is removed from the PA system.
   
I can only imagine this person marching into the manager's office and saying she'll never return until they remove the Spanish from the PA system. You'd never seen a store manager so happy. Break open a couple of bottles of Inca Cola and crank up the Juan Luis Guerra because that idiot ain't comin' back.

http://tinyurl.com/yq7wb7

Here's another thread where low-foreheads complain about Spanish language music in a shoe store. Why does the Spanish language bother some people so much?

http://tinyurl.com/2gxag8

Here's a guy who was so upset about seeing brown skinned persons working at a restaurant that he wrote a letter to the manager. Basically, he saw men with brown skin, and with no additional evidence, he just assumed they were engaged in law breaking activity. Will someone please tell me whether this guy is merely anti-illegal immigrant or does he just not like Hispanic people? Otherwise please explain to me why this guy has an objection to men with brown skin working for a living?
   
Can you imagine being a restaurant manager and getting a letter from someone like this? What would a manager think? Would they laugh? Or would they be concerned?
   
http://tinyurl.com/2dmnuq

Here some geniuses object to the Home Shopping Channel being in Spanish. They assume that the customers are not likely to pay their bills simply because they speak Spanish. This is based on nothing other than that the customers will be Spanish speaking persons. Is this starting to get you angry?
   
http://tinyurl.com/28r834

Here some pinheads found an online poll, and they discuss how they intentionally tried to manipulate the poll results. The next time you hear about a poll saying that X% percent of people support this or that, remember this.
   
http://tinyurl.com/2gpsxd

Here a chump objects to Dominos Pizza printing coupons in Spanish. He describes how he contacts the chain's headquarters to tell them that he will no longer be ordering Dominos pizza.
   
If these idiots keep their promises to not transact with companies that advertise in Spanish or have Spanish speaking or brown skinned workers, then they'll be eating nothing but bugs and grass from their backyard.
   
http://tinyurl.com/2c4ltg

Here is a patriot objecting to Mexican style food being served in Appleby's restaurant. Notice how they don't complain about Thai food or Italian food being served. No. The only objection is to Mexican style food being served.
   
Are these people merely against illegal immigration as they claim or do they just plain hate Mexicans? We report. You decide.
   
http://tinyurl.com/25vdo9

Here is someone objecting to General Mills marketing a product in Spanish. One guy writes, "These companies do not no [sic] the word 'loyal'..." That's pretty funny.
   
http://tinyurl.com/2zauyn

This is just an example of how dumb these idiots are. The nit wit deleted his original comments, but I'll tell you what he said. He walks into a convenience store and sees a fellow idiot buying Miller Beer. The anti-Hispanic movement is currently boycotting Miller Beer http://tinyurl.com/ggxf8 so idiot #1 tells idiot #2 that Miller supports illegal immigrants and that he should buy another type of beer. Idiot #2 puts down the Miller and picks up a 12-pack of Ice House. The original post now deleted included a picture of idiot #2 holding his case of Ice House and flashing a smile revealing rotting teeth and pyorrhea ridden gums meanwhile giving the finger to a six pack of Miller Beer.
   
Ice House is made by the Miller Brewing Company.
   
By the way, the stock of SAB Miller is higher now than it was when they started the boycott.
   
http://tinyurl.com/23tv2h

The National Football League is trying to develop an audience of Latinos. It even has a website NFLatino.com These *****s object to this. What's more American than football except General Mills cereal and Betty Crocker? But these people hate Hispanic people so much that they object to their assimilation into society. They even don't want Spanish speaking people to be introduced to American football.
   
http://tinyurl.com/2fkz7m

Here's another case where a guy objects to men with brown skin working in a restaurant. He also assumes, based on no other information than their appearance and the language they are speaking, that they are law breakers, and he contemplates calling authorities to report them.
   
That's not all. That's not the worst. Something scary is the threats of violence. The moderators of ALIPAC want to keep this out of public view, and they will delete any comment that suggests violence. There have been many. Some people talk about wanting to shoot people trying to cross the border. Others suggest land mines. Still others think that a civil war in this country is inevitable and recommend that the anti-Hispanic movement take up arms.
   
These are just some examples I found from light surfing one website.
   
I want to highlight that just because one or many of these people think this way, that doesn't mean that they ALL think that way. There are many in the anti-immigrant community who are probably good hearted, reasonably intelligent people who are just ignorant or are being deceived by the hatred and the lies that these other evil people spread.
   
Final Thoughts
   
Have you ever heard about someone being upset by having to press "1" for English? Every now and then some buffoon with Pamela Anderson as his avatar will write a rant about that. The comfort that we have is this: if these idiots get so upset about something so insignificant as having to press a button with one of their fingers, then you know that there ain't nothin' that won't bother them. They must be the most miserable people in the world if they get their panties all in a bunch over something so insignificant.
   
I've met a lot of immigrants, and I've generally found them to be pretty cool people. My block has people from India, Viet Nam, Bahamas, Africa, Mexico and Central America. I've met immigrants from Nepal, Portugal, China, Thailand, Burma, Korea, Canada, England, Cambodia, and people from all over the Americas. They come here with bright eyes. This is the land of opportunity. This is a place where you can work and live in peace and achieve the American dream. It's a happy place. People are optimistic when they cross that border or get off that plane.
   
By and large they're happy people. They're optimistic. They expect good things to happen. When they see an American their eyes light up, and they're willing to meet and greet and make friends.
   
But something is happening in this country. Hateful people are spreading lies

http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=2438 and propaganda

http://www.amazon.com/State-Emergency-Invasion-Conquest-America/dp/0312360037/sr=8-/qid=1162308291/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6966986-4823121?ie=UTF8&s=books

 , and ignorant people are taking it in. A cauldron of hate is brewing, and a lot of people are sensing it. Minute Men are on the street protesting people with brown skin who are only looking for work. Cities passing laws that prohibit renting rooms to certain people. Several Mexican men were murdered a few months ago. These people were more upset that the Mexican flag was flown than they were about the murders of fathers, brothers, sons, loved ones. You know what I'm talking about. I don't need to describe it any further.
   
This is disturbing, and it is polarizing our communities. As a white guy, Latinos used to like me. For some reason they liked having a white guy as a friend. Senoritas seemed to be attracted to me. But nowadays it's a lot different. Some of the people are not as friendly. They're more wary than anything else. Senoritas don't seem to be as attracted to me anymore either. That really hurts.
   
UPDATES:

http://tinyurl.com/2gc5ls

a guy says that he refuses to buy products that have the Spanish language on the package and that when he finds such a product he writes a nasty e-mail. One guy refers to Spanish speaking people as "invaders" nevermind that the majority of people who use the Spanish language are here legally or are citizens. Another guy gets upset that a portion of donations to the Literacy Fund might benefit Hispanics. Another guy bought some candy and threw it out after having noticed that it was made in Mexico.
   
http://tinyurl.com/yrydvb

Taco Bell is considering expanding it's Latino customer base by advertising in Spanish. A participant at ALIPAC encourages others to express their opinions about it. IT'S TACO BELL FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/yo3pdz

Here's a classic by mkfarnam himself. Don't you love it how in a forum someone writes "Your a *****." That is so iron. I love irony. In the above referenced thread Dec 29 10:43 pm, mkfarnam writes with respect to Latino landscaping workers "their idiots".
   
http://tinyurl.com/27u544

Here is a discussion about the pizza restaurant that accepts Mexican pesos. One person claims to be discriminated against. One person claims that they’re racist. I suppose he would conclude that Victoria’s Secret is sexist because they don’t market their underwear to men. Without any evidence to support his claim (common at ALIPAC), the guy concludes that they wouldn’t hire anyone who isn’t Hispanic and young. Our friend gusgriswald commented that it is “straight up discrimination on so many levels”. He never explains how it’s discrimination. It would actually be discrimination if the DID NOT accept pesos.
   
Another commenter suggested they change the name to “Pizza Ecoli”. He believes, based on the fact that they target the Hispanic market in their advertising, that they therefore are unsanitary.
   
http://tinyurl.com/2ygk85

Here an ALIPACker goes to a job site and takes pictures of men working. Excuse me. I meant he takes pictures of brown skinned men working. One must ponder what is the purpose of this. Why post these pictures on a web forum that is anti-illegal?

Note: I edited the links to use TinyURL instead of directly linking ALIPAC.US, not wanting to give that site more links!
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ALIPAC-US needs to be taken off the net.  >:( >:(

W said ALIPAC.US would shut down if they don't raise enough money by February 10, but just extended to Feb. 15th. Here's what he said:

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=50639
"ALIPAC has a budget shortfall following the election and holiday season. Therefore, ALIPAC must raise $15,000 by February 10, 2007 to remain in operation. "

Hello Bob..........

Can't say all people are Xenophobic.... some are and some aren't....... There are faults on both sides and I can't say one is worse then the other....... or one is better then the other.......


Michael

Michael,

Welcome to ALIPAC.NET! Are you the same Michael45 that posts on ALIPAC.US? If you are would you please remove Tony's personal information. I never post W's personal information and neither should you post Tony's. Thanks.

We hope this will become a forum where people can have serious dialog about immigration without constantly being insulted, harassed, etc. Many of the other members here I met on HispanicBusiness.com, and I have to say that while I don't always agree with them, they have been civil to me. However, there are a number of ALI-PAC trolls on HB who make nasty personal attacks, smears, post personal information to intimidate, etc.

As with any group, there is some diversity within ALI-PAC, but anyone who disagrees with W or some of his admins is quickly booted. There are a bunch of anti-illegal immigrant activists over on BelieveInAmerica.com who were all banned from ALIPAC for silly reasons, often minor differences of opinion, less xenophobic, etc. Some ALIPACers were nice to me, but the negatives far outweighed the positives. I still browse ALIPAC.US sometimes and do find some good information, but there I find I have to question the information sources as I've seen some really bad info too.

I was a member for about two months, and I am very moderate and certainly not xenophobic. Some other members and even some moderators are reasonable, while others are rather nasty and could be described as W's "accolytes", doing everything  he asks, trolling on other boards, etc. Unfortunately most of the leadership seems to be xenophobic and not very friendly to those with different viewpoints.

I started questioning and challending posts from others that weren't just anti-illegal immigrant but anti-Hispanic as well, or advocated extreme measures that would hurt legal immigrants as well. They piled onto me like a pack of wolves, basically stating if you're not with us then you're against us, etc. When I say "they" that included many of the leadership such as their admin 2ndamendsis. 

The same has happened to many others as well. It seems that either you're as xenophobic as they are or you're an OBL. There are no true moderates there, at least not any that are vocal. If you're Hispanic and disagree with them, then you're a reconquista, Aztlanista, etc. Wild conspiracy theories seem to rule at ALI-PAC.

I wrote to W and complained there were posts left on the boards which were personal attacks and others at least latently racist, my posts that were all within the rules were being deleted without explanation (an ALIPAC rule),  the behavior of some of his mods, and I promised to get back to him a short time later with sample posts. Before I could even get back to him - we're talking about a couple of hours - he sent me an e-mail, booting me, claiming that I'm an open borders liberal, etc.

W's e-mail to me and many of his posts on ALI-PAC show that he's xenophobic and even seems paranoid at times. In his e-mail, he even referred to "restoring our Republic", as if we had already lost it! While we have a problem that needs to be solved, I certainly don't think we have been invaded, lost our Republic, are about to secretly merge with Canada and Mexico without approval of Congress, etc.

I am certainly no open borders liberal and I have never supported amnesty. I want our system of laws to work, and sensible reforms to ensure U.S. companies that need to import more unskilled workers can do so legally, that families are not kept divided for long times, etc. I want sensible enforcement measures that do not hurt legal immigrants, especially those waiting for Immigration to process status changes, assylum requests, etc.

I don't agree with the decisions of those who are here illegally, neither do I demonize all of them as is common on ALI-PAC except the small minority who truely are demons (i.e. MS-13, criminal aliens, sex offenders, etc.). IMHO the large majority of illegal immigrants came here to work and not to prey on others.

I am one in the same........ and thanks for the welcome........ I have already modified the post......



You mean like when you drug my name over there and made comments about me? lol Don't worry...... I forgive you.......... ;)


His forum not mine............ I have no say as to how a person runs their forum nor do I always agree with things............ And I have been on a lot of forums.......... been booted from a few too....... I always say if you don't like the forum then start your own.


If you want to have a decent conversation then calling people racists or xenophobic or other names is not going to promote civil conversation..... Fault is on both sides..... I have seen this countless times when people seem to be losing the arguement or they get frustraited.


I am not familiar with the admin who you speak of.......... I just have my own little corner there and that is mostly where I stay. I do read the posts and if I agree with something I will say so........ and If I don't agree with someone when they post directly to me then I will answer them........ and tell them why.........
 

Seems I've seen the same on some pro illega sites too...........


We haven't? hummmm seems like I heard something about the new world order many years ago and at first I just blew it off......... untill I started seeing things happen......... and they continue to happen....... and this is all in the name of Free Trade? lol


I don't advocate open borders either, but I am not in agreement that alot of these companies need more imported workers......  As far as families being divided, there are many pipeline workers here in the US that do just that....... they are away from their families for months at a time.
I am for support of the law, and the government has yet to prove they can control and enforce our laws. Any new legislation means nothing since it is just a bandaid to appease the masses....... This will just be another failed attempt by the government to make things right. They already proved they cannot do the jobs or enforce the laws already on the books. They only cover their mistakes by saying we are going to pass ANOTHER comprehensive immigration bill.........Untill they are held accountable for their past mistakes, they are doomed to repeat them over and over again.


I don't demonize all of them either........ but if you cannot control the borders then you can not control the criminal element......... and the government has yet to demonstrate they can control the border ............. for now or any long term........

Michael

Are you suggesting MC that all people who migrate from the southern border are "criminal elements".  If so then the choice word of xenophobia describing ALI-PAC's mental policy is true.

If you can show me in my post where I suggested this please point it out to me........ If you want to debate the criminal element that crosses the border we can do that, as also we can debate all outside the criminal element too........
Anyone who used the word xenophobic about anyone is just being an armchair psychologist......... and before I would believe anyones diagnosis of this disorder, they would have to provide credentials that they have a degree in psychology......

LaVerdad and Bob,

Be careful what you say to this guy.
Alipac.com started a whole thread called "Alipac Parody." They are doing nothing but making fun of this site.

MC wrote private information about Tony.

I´ve seen his posts on other forums and he makes plenty of trouble. Very negative.

Let me give you examples.
He just said he deleted the personal stats on Tony. I just checked and he did NOT delete them
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=53681
scroll down to the bottom of the page and there they are. The 3rd to last message.

He is pretending to be nice here but here is what he said there:
"Public information is just that........... public information......... and no, I cannot get sued for it.............. if he didn't want the information to be public he should have made the website private when it was registered.
No law against public information......"
and this
"Oh and by the way.......... I think it was necessary to post that so William has the information to hand to his lawyer to sue him for using his companies name........ You scammers are all the same........ lol "
and he is also a big blow hard:
"If you don't want your personal information on the web then be careful where and how you use it........
Remember........ Public information is just that. It's public and anyone can go see it anytime they want, and it's open to all eyes.......
I don't charge for lessons for scammers 101 ........ I busted enough of them....... "


All of this are just MCs typic evil tactics!!

I´ve made screen shots of these posts so even if he deletes them I have the proof.

Just his typical tactics!!

A couple of comments. First, MC did finally remove Tony's personal information from his post. I just checked.

He is correct in asserting that not everyone on ALI-PAC is xenophobic. I don't recall stating that everyone there is xenophobic or a latent racist. However, there are quite a few there that say they're only concerned about illegal immigration and then you read their posts and they're saying bad things about brown skinned people speaking Spanish when they don't even know their status. I see lots of assumptions that in many situations Hispanic people speaking Spanish are presumed to be illegal immigrants, while in truth many legal immigrants and citizens speak Spanish in public too.

ALI-PAC can make all the fun of this site they want to, but I believe it is an excellent medium, very well organized information. I can guarantee you that W is paying close attention to us, and probably kicking himself that he didn't lock the domain name or copyright the term "ALIPAC." We have every right to use the domain name ALIPAC.NET, and right on the home page there is a disclaimer that we are not affiliated with the other ALIPAC.

BTW, there is an Americans for Legal Immigration (no PAC). On their home page they state they're not affiliated with ALIPAC. Note their "public notice" on their home page:
http://www.noillegals.com/
This is the Original AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION SITE (The Real One) and is NOT a PAC. We are not here to separate you from your money or to look more important than we are.

Hmmm....makes you wonder why they would distance themselves from ALIPAC...

One other thing. When I was active at ALIPAC I never called anyone a racist or xenophobe there, but from time to time I did challenge statistics that seemed very anti-Hispanic and had not basis in fact, and disagreed with measures that would hurt legal immigrants.

2ndamendsis kept trying to put the word "racist" in my mouth, but I stuck to facts and figures and let readers draw their own conclusions. She did post that my wife is an illegal immigrant, though my wife is not and never has been one. She refused to delete her allegation. W booted me when I complained about the libel, editing my posts to discredit me, etc. The post was still there the last time I checked. That is definitely lawsuit material, but they're not worth the time and expense to go after them.

Examples:
Statement that 98% of illegal immigrants are Hispanic and 90% of those are Mexicans. The truth is around 70% of illegal immigrants are Hispanic, and 57% of total illegal immigrants are Mexican.
Hispanics Hispanic legal immigrants and citizens deserve backlash because 100% of them aid and abet illegal immigration, either helping them or not reporting them to ICE. Certainly not true!
100% of day laborers are illegal immigrants. Not supported by the few surveys done. ALIPACers thought it OK to harass day laborers on the theory that most are illegal immigrants and "collatoral damage" is acceptable in fighting the problem.

Bob,

Forget that crowd. They are a bunch of MM retirees sitting in their closets typing on their PCs in their jammies in the bedroom of their Trailer! They pick thei weirdest avatars too. Shades of Deliverance!!

They have nothing better to do.

LOL

While I usually thumb my nose at such antics, knowing full well the people who do such things are at worst harmless, there is always that lunatic nut fringe that reads bulletin boards and get stupid ideas in their heads.

While I have two forms of Renter's Insurance (the one from Allstate and the one from Remmington,) I don't want to take the chance that one of my neighbors might get hurt or worse just because Randy Redneck sees my info on a web site and decides he wants to "teach me a lesson I'll never fergit." So I've decided to let GoDaddy hide my info from prying eyes, so it's all a moot point.

I had my personal information posted on HB, including name, address, phone, and even a map of my neighborhood! The moderator removed it and the practice is banned on HB.
Thanks Oscar!

One of the ALIPACers posted my name on a newspaper web site afte I commented about ALIPAC. Additionally, they posted I support child brides, importing sex offenders, and people should check the Minnesota sex offender registry for interesting information (of course I'm not listed on any such registry). The mods deleted that post within minutes after reporting it.

There likely is still a post on ALIPAC that my wife is an illegal immigrant, though she never posted there and I already told Gheen and the person who posted that is blatantly false. They just don't care who they hurt! Too bad they don't have enough to be worth suing, because that is prime lawsuit material.

As for posting public information there is little you can do unless it was done with intent to commit harm and can be proven so......
If someone Is libeling you then you should retain an attorney and take legal action......
If you're just upset then vent it here and let it go................... or not........ your decission..

I don't have any reason to delete my posts so you can take all the screen shots you want.......... lol I have screen shots too........ of you in moderator mode......
So what shall we do now? Trade screen shots? lol
I worked with the government for over 5 years catching criminals on the internet....... So I'm not worried about someone taking screen shots of my posts....  I have binders full of screen shots from way back when........... lol

LOL.
MC giving advice and HE is the one who POSTED Tony´s information.

POT KETTLE BLACK

so typical

I mentioned this just to illustrate how hateful some people on that site are.

It's not worth my time and money to sue ALI-PAC. They have very little in assets to pay damages, probably much less than attorneys fees. That's why I was looking at their financial statements and noticed all the irregularities.

I'm a treasurer for a political party and can read and decipher campaign finance statements. ALIPAC's statements are a mess, and they apparently don't pay their taxes! Political Action Committees don't pay federal and state income taxes, but they are required to pay employer taxes.

Gheen and Jurbala are both classified employees under federal law, but their statements show zero taxes paid. Shame on ALIPAC for always throwing stones at illegal immigrants while not paying a cent of their employer taxes!

BTW, I'm sorry if you were offended by my "biker" comment. I was referring to your avatar, which I didn't realize was your photo. Please accept my apology.

First of all he is covered under copyright even though it has not been registered... All he has to do is show proof that he had the name first......... And I'm sure that won't be too hard to do.....

LOL you DID delete the POST you wrote with Tony´s personal information.
You were scared, weren´t you blow boy.

I like when you say I am a Moderator. I like when you say I am CEO. I like when you say I run things all over!!!

I´m not a blowhard like you. You say you are a Mensa genius (you have the mensa part right) multiple business owner millionaire. LOL LOL LOL

I saw your pix. you are a little pip squeak.
What do they say about little men?

LOL LOL

I´m just a sweet little Mexican American granny who always writes the truth!!

See ya Blow Boy!!

Well yes...... I did have to look up all the laws when I was working with the government..... So I do know about them........ lol

LOL Blow Boy

No One Believes You, Little Man!!

Not a problem Bob.............. :)  I don't have any grudges against anyone nor do I hold them...... It's not worth it.......  lol

There are hateful people in this world and there is no denying that....... but there are a lot of good people too.......... I tend to think there are more good people then bad...

Government Job? Give me a break Blow Boy !!

Where was it, a mental ward?

LOL LOL LOL

I haven´t laughed this hard all day!!

You denying what you said Blow Boy or posting Tony´s info on the bizarro site?

LOL LOL LOL

Your lies are quickly catching up to you!!

I was neither scared nor did I delete the whole post......... I was asked to delete it and the mods had plenty of time to do it if they wanted it gone......... I did it as a request.......

You are a moderator ......... and I never did say you were the CEO nor did I say you ran things over there....... I think you might be mixing posts of mine and someone else.......

lol you do like to attack me don't you............ :)


I will ask this of Bob or Tony........ Can I take cheap shots back, or will I get deleted?

You enjoy yourself Dee............ :)  Have a nice day lol......

Nope........ never denied posting public information about him on alipac.......

You making this up as you go along, or do you have a script you read from?

Has anybody else read this report about ALI-PAC? The author did some thorough research into ALI-PAC and its ties to white supremacists and border vigilantes.
http://www.buildingdemocracy.org/ali-pac.pdf

They also wrote a report on the Minutemen and their deep roots to white supremacists:
http://www.buildingdemocracy.org/reports/shellgames.pdf

Note: many ALIPACers are also Minutemen and SOSers. You can readily tell by watching web traffic statistics between the sites.

I wish I were a Moderator over there. I would of cut you off at your knees Blow Boy!!

You sure walk in some Deep Stuff!!
Probably taller than you are!! LOL LOL

You and WMM should make a Party Patrol!!

What do they say about short guys?

LOL LOL LOL

And you were and are scared.

Thats why you deleted it you scaredy cat!!

Folks, can we keep things a bit more civil?

Thanks, Bob

Are you sure it's many? I would be more inclined to say some........ I'm not a MM nor do I belong to any other orgainzation...........
The root cause of all of this is because the government failed to do it's job......

I'm trying Bob.................. It's not I that started the slinging.......... lol

Look under similar audiences:
http://www.quantcast.com/alipac.us

Bob,

I will be calmer.
MC posted that personal info about Tony.
He said he removed it.
He didn´t.

These guys are just rough to take!!

You are a moderator over there and I have the posts to prove it too............ ;)

I didn't remove the post but I did edit out the information.......... Even Bob said I did.......

LOL LOL LOL

I LOVE IT!!

AND YOU ARE 6 FOOT TALL AND A HANDSOME 30 YEAR OLD.

LOL LOL LOL

Hello everyone and a hearty WELCOME to Michael.  I hope you find yourself at home here where you can express your sentiments.  

First off, this is Alipac.net, not Alipac.org, and both Alipacs have different acronyms, which means, technically, there is no copyright fringe. Unless Alipac is a registered trademark, that's a different story, but even so, one would have to use the exact Alipac logo in order for there to be legal charges.

Secondly, I am advicing everyone to tone it down or I am going to have to start deleting all those insults.  Just as a warning, if you started it, I WILL edit your post to tone it down.  This forum was not created to attack each other, regardless of what goes on outside here.  We can discuss other websites, but we cannot be attacking each other if you want to be a member here.

Finally, Michael is right.  I didn't get to see the information he posted over at Alipac, but if it's public information there is nothing anyone can do about it.  However, it is in bad taste to do so here (or anywhere for that matter) and just as a future warning, anyone posting personal information about another member that shouldn't concern us in this forum will not be tolerated.

Bob,
btw, did you see what W said about you<?

NoYouCannot,

Your first mistake was giving a rats butt what Bob had to say in the first place.

You can't trust a word Bob says about anything. I know that a lot of our people are open minded and willing to give people a fair chance, but that fairness on our part is often exploited by those willing to lie and pretend they know things that they don't.

Don't feel bad, when he first contacted me with serious accusations about ALIPAC I fully investigated them as I would want to do for anyone that might have a legitimate concern.

It was all BS and everything he claimed fell apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

He is relying that some people will accept his claims as valid merely because he saying things.

Anyone willing to look into what he says quickly discovered that he is a profuse and consistent liar.

I'm glad he is working for the other side. He's actually providing us with a great service to be revealed at a later date.

W

Yes, coming from W I felt flattered! If he thinks I'm a profuse liar then I must be the most honest person around!

Thank you iamme. The welcome is appreciated.......... I will abide by the rules set forth here by you and the admins.

Thank you Lamme,

I appreciate the comment.
MC is a terrible poster.

He printed Tony´s personal information on the Alipac.com website for ALL to see.

It was terrible. I was just appalled.

Then he comes here and tried to pretend he was not so blatant.

He is very mischievious.

Please be careful of him.

PS: I like your website.  But please be careful of those ANTI websites like ALIPAC.org. They are loaded with xxx

You know, what is really apalling is W saying he investigated my claims, but in my last e-mail I told him I was putting together samples for him, and a short time later, before I ever got back to him, he booted me with a rather nasty e-mail. Now how can he thoroughly investigate something if I haven't provided the evidence yet?

lol........... this is quite funny ........... made my night lol

Sorry bob I didn't mean you lol I was answering another post lol

Good for you Bob for staying so strong.

MC and his Alipac crew are what they are.
So sad.

To bad.

Someone should give them a course in debating.
Maybe it would help them.


Here is a good link for them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate

Thanks for the advice Dee, but whatever he does at another site will not be tolerated here.  For the mean time, I like the way he's been able to comport himself and I can see some similarities that we have.  Michael likes to laugh and that's good and I hope he can share with us some of his good laughter.  I do hope that he does not think this forum is to bash immigrants (legal or not).  While he is welcomed to share his opposing opinions, we do expect that he is able to share with us some positive opinions as well, especially in threads that remark on those positives that many immigrants (legal or not) have.

Now, this thread is about Xenophobia at Alipac and I agree that there are some who are quite extreme over there, but that's a never ending story.  What I do worry about Alipac is that many are not able to speak up.  Maybe they fear they will be banned?  Whatever it is, I read somewhere that Alipac is a diverse crowd with some who are Hispanic.  I find that hard to believe especially when there is so much Hispanic bashing going on over there.  It's like someone saying Iamme's family is corrupt, thieves, good for nothings, blah blah blah's and I allow them to bash my family like that.  If someone said that about your family and you know that some members in your family do not fit those discriptions, would you allow it to continue?  Why is no one stopping this especially when they claim to have Hispanics in their group?  The same goes for SOS. :-[

Hi iammie,
I'm not here to bash immigrants and have no intention of doing so. My father was an immigrant who came here when he was 12.
I am all for legal immigration but these new bills being pushed through are nothing but a bandaid.
The government is responsible for the quota's on immigration and the law, and so far they have failed to keep up with either one. I don't blame the illegal immigrants for the mess we are in now, I blame the government, and untill we can get our government under control we should table alot of things and curtail more of their power untill they take responsibility for the jobs they are supposed to do.
They are legally in charge of overseeing the savings and loans but look what happened during the Clinton administration....... the savings and loans almost colapsed and they were supposed to be overseeing it......
I'm afraid before anyone should get serious about illegal immigrants in this country they need to show us they have an effective deturent in place at the border and not this tempory fix with the NG....

Well, it seems we're thinking along the same tracks.  I also think that this is the governments fault for failing to enforce our immigration laws before this got out of hand.  Now we have immigrants here who are without documentation and some have lived here so long they've nowhere else to go.  It is understandable that many should have known that this could happen any day, but it should also be understandable that many of these undocumented immigrants were living in deplorable conditions back home, conditions not suitable for an adult, much less a child.  So, while I am all for enforcing the laws and securing our borders, I also believe that we should also take into consideration that many of the undocumented immigrants have lived here and have established themselves here, and have in some form or another contributed to our society.  I'm sure they can do more if only they were legalized.  Yet, I understand why many think that this will only make the problem worse.  The only reason it should become worse is if we don't enforce our immigration laws and if we don't revise our policies.  Did you know that an immigrant that comes here to work only cannot travel outside of the United States, not even to see their families, unless it's an emergency?  What options do we give an immigrant who is on a work visa who gets hurt outside the job?  Where should they go and get assistance if they require a surgery but they're only getting paid $6.00 an hour?  Maybe we should reform the law to allow immigrants on a worker's visa to be able to come and go as is needed?  How about a family from another country who does not meet our immigrant family income guidelines in order to qualify?  Should they suffer only because they are poor?  Why not give them a chance to do something for themselves and their families?  America spends millions on aids "giving" it to other countries in dire needs, and that's good, but why can't we allow others to come here and "work" for their maintance?  Instead, we close the doors on them and wish them better luck next time in 10 years, but 10 years is too long to wait for many.  The story goes on, but I'll cut it short and cut to the point.  The undocumented immigrants are not pawns, and everyone is using them as such.  The employers and the anti's.  One wants to exploit them, the other wants to bash them and talks of them as if they are bags of trash that can just be "dumped" elsewhere (usually Mexico).  I'm not seeing them as pawns, but as people with needs who are struggling to make a dream, a struggle we've long forgotten because many of us were'nt there when America started showing its roots.  I know that there are many who don't deserve a chance at citizenship, or even a chance to work here, because they do all sorts of shit that it just makes our job all that much harder.  But there are many many more who don't deserved to be pushed and pulled the way they are.  I just want them out of the danger zone until everything can get resolved.  IMHO, I say we should give them a pathway to citizenship/work, secure the borders, fine employers who thereafter continue to hire undocumented immigrants, and reform our immigration policies.  Take care.

iamme,
he does pretend to be positive.
But lets not forget, he is the one who posted Tony´s personal information on the bizarro site.
He is the one who posted blatant information about this site there.

He pretends all he wants.
But people like Tweety and What Matters Most.. they are what they are.

But Tweety and WMM are too afraid too post here LOL.

We are all being used as pawns....... What about the immigrant that is waiting to come here but can't because numbers are swelling and they have effectivly pushed back their acceptence.......
The government is only interested in one thing, and that is big business. Big business can't get the unions to lower wages so they move to another state and drop wages....... then as a few years go by and wages start to rise again, they pack up and leave to another country where they pay pennies on the dollar for a days wage......
Effective employer sanctions are nothing but a dream untill our government decides to really enforce the laws. They have the power to do it, but it they hit the goose that laid the golden egg for them, they themselves don't get reelcted..... I have lobbied in DC before and I have witnessed this first hand. Recent bills introduced to put more sanctions on employers have failed ..... so how do you control an out of control government? It surely isn't through more government and more regulations. We have an effective guest worker program but it has been seriously unattended and a lot of employers don't want to follow the rules because it would mean more expense for them, hence they would lose more money then they would have gained.
My first concern is to secure the borders. After that, our government needs to be held accountable for why they have not kept up with the immigration quota's. We also need to address the 12+ million people in this country that are out of work and the millions more that work two and three jobs just to make a living. IF you look deep into the stats at the labor bureau of labor statistics  you will find that the 4% unemployment rate is really higher and they have manipulated the figures to show a low unemployment rate. The do not count people that have run out of benefits or people that went on government assistance.... or people that just gave up and live with family members........

I'll stop here since we have alot to chew on already lol......

Take care.

Michael

Why not join in on this discussion instead of flaming people.......... It would be more productive, and less distructive........... :)

Michael

I share iamme's vision of this board where people can discuss without all the nastiness we've seen on other boards. Let's all rise above that and be nice.

Michael has promised to follow the rules. He deleted Tony's personal information on that 'other' site, and has not personally attacked anyone since I asked everyone to be more civil.

Let the past be the past, OK everyone?

Ah, tweet. ::)  I remember her from another forum, but unfortunately I forgot my password to log on and didn't think it was worth going back to a forum where I am one and they are many, especially after the HB attack, I can imagine having ulcers at night.  Don't get me wrong, Believe in America is not like the other anti-forums, and I really like it there despite the hassle, but when you're just butting heads constantly with the same people and no one is changing their minds, it's time to move on.  I have a thing with not allowing posts to go unanswered, so when you have so many people jumping on you, it's hard to keep up, especially when you're working while you are doing it, and they just always had replies in much the same way as I.  But I do remember Tweety, the one that claims that she's asked how Mexicans would feel if they were all of a sudden over run by Gringos.  She claims no ones ever answered her, like her question is a good one, and that we never have a response.  I answered her a long time ago much the same way as I will answer now, Mexicans would welcome them.  Gringos are highly adored over there when they are not being snobs.  They are treated better than their own gente, often allowing them into clubs for merely speaking English.  Then again, nature has a way of taking it's course and turning this world inside out.  I learned in my sociology class that sort of stuff, as to why we have hurricanes and earth quakes - it's nature way of keeping us from being over populated.  The same things happen when colors change in countries.  It's natures way of evening out our colors.  Sure, many aren't going to like it, but nature is not a force to be reckoned with.  One day this worlds will all be the same color and the same race. ;D

Iamme,
You are right. She constantly asks that questions and claims never to receive an answer. I´ve answered her several times. She just doesn´t like the answer.

You are right, there are many, many Americans that move to and live in Mexico. They speak English. Many Mexicans speak English too.

I shared the fact that I had a friend from Germany who was a Guest Worker. She was shocked that Americans only speak 1 language. She said in Europe most people speak many up to 6 languages quite fluently. She didn´t know why we try to restrict ourselves to only one language.

Bob,
You are right.
The only reason I brought up the other issue was due to the post about Tony´s personal information being posted.

Now that he was forced to take it down, and he took it down, I will not speak of it again.

Tony.. I´m glad we could help in ensuring that your personal info was taken down. :-)

Now, getting back on topic, did everyone get a chance to read the excellent report "Americans for Legal Immigration (ALI-PAC):
Xenophobia, Nativism and Anti-Immigrant Hysteria"?

http://www.buildingdemocracy.org/ali-pac.pdf

The author did a fantastic job of researching ALI-PAC, it's President, and the cast of other characters, some of them avowed white supramacists.

I wasn't forced to take it down...... I volunterally took it down......... 
So now that is straightened up lets move on please.......... :)

Michael

I agree with Bob and Michael.  No more mention of what he did or didn't do, who forced him or didn't force him, etc., etc.  Let's leave the past in the past and be thankful that he was nice enough to pull it down.  Egging him more might make him post it up again, and he can.  So let's move on please.

Iamme,

All of MCs arguments are ludicrous.

Read this article from Dallas Magazine.
http://www.dmagazine.com/article.asp?articleid=1190

The rule of law issue is bogus. Here are the facts:
"entering the country without documents is a civil violation. It’s neither a felony nor a misdemeanor, as is, say, driving without insurance documents."
"If an illegal entrant is taken to immigration court, the punishment, if so adjudged, is called “removal.” Usually the entrants are allowed to leave voluntarily, avoiding formal deportation. That’s important because re-entry after voluntary departure remains a civil violation,"

So much for their rule of Law argument.

Regarding their Bogus argument re: why don´t they go back and get in line, it would take 12 - 20 years to get back in line and come back in.
This article details the wait:
http://www.nfap.com/researchactivities/studies/NFAPStudyLegalImmigrantsWaitingForever052206.pdf
This url contains a comprehensive study conducted by the “National Foundation for American Policy.” “The National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to public policy research on trade, immigration, education, and other issues of national importance.”

This study says - quote:

Category Waits for Green Card-

Skilled worker and Professionals +5 years
(large backlogs, longer future waits)

Family member sponsorships +11-12 years, Mexico +13-14 years

Spouse or minor child +7 Mexico, other +5

Congress has failed to increase the H-1B Cap in recent years leaving employers with no way to hire new skilled foreign nationals inside the US for many months at a time. Since it can take +5 years or more for a US employer to sponsor a skilled foreigner for permanent residence the availability of H-1B visas is important, otherwise skilled foreign nationals, particularly graduates of US universities, could not work or remain in the US.

So you can see, MOST OF THE ANTI ARGUMENTS ARE NOT TRUE AND ARE MISPERCEPTIONS AT BEST.

We are hitting upon alot of subjects here........ lol

I agree we need to adjust our immigration system but I do not believe we need a whole new immigration bill..... I have read the immigration and naturalization act and it is pretty sound. Just needs to be modified a bit and the government can do this without drafting a whole new bill.
As far as the wait..... that is a different story and should be addressed in a different thread. I will say that we are running out of water here....... 1/4th of all the states in the US were under some type of water rationing last year. What is going to happen if we decide to let more and more immigrants from all over come here in numbers higher then are already set?

Business's are not an easy thing to run... the overhead can be costly and when someone is not playing by the rules and undercuts you because they are not willing to pay that overhead it puts legal business's out of business. I could play that same game with my business here but I have a little more respect for my employee's. I am not going to pay them minimum wage for a job that calls for some kind of skill....... while others here in town use these tactics to undercut business.
How to stop this is not a complex problem but like you said it is a double edge sword.

I do hope Calderon does change things but I have my doubts we will see this in my lifetime.  I do think ICE should continue to pick up the criminal element and it is sad that some will get caught in the middle......... but life isn't always fair. To me it's not fair that the ones waiting should have to be penalized and I don't think that the ones here should get to be ahead of the line either. I do believe some should stay but others need to go back and wait in line..... It's only fair....... but I cannot agree to anything about immigration reform until the government proves it can secure the border...... High Tech is not going to secure our borders unless we have the manpower to be there within minutes....... and we won't reach that manpower even when we hit the mark with all the border agents being recruited. Everyone thinks all these new agents will be on the border but that in not true...... they will be filtered through the system and put all over the United States at different posts and doing different jobs which includes office work.....
I have been to mexico a few times and have friends that have villa's there that have invited me to spend time down there..... and these people are hispanic....... in fact mostly all my friends are hispanic and there is nothing I wouldn't do for them. I have been to mexico and find the people there are just like us........ there are good and bad everywhere you go in the world and the US is no exception.

Geezzzz lol we are going to have to split this up as these posts are getting awfully long lol...and I know I have not hit on all the subjects you have mentioned lol
May I suggest we have a thread on business and then one on government ect as to cut down on the how long the posts are.....
It is a fact that people only read maybe the first few paragraphs and then skip the rest..... lol

Take care.

Michael

Yes Dee, but that is why Tony set up this site, so that we can help inform.  We agree with them just about as much as they agree with us and if anyone thinks that they are going to stop the information from coming on this forum, then they are wrong.  I'm glad you have this information and Michael can now choose to either accept it or provide evidence that proves other wise.  But I don't want to give anyone reason to run these threads off course, and whether Michael is vile in another forum or not is irrelevant to this one.  It's not nice to put people in a position where they have to defend themselves by insulting you back, and it's not good for this forum either because then we've got all these people attacking each other and no one is taking in the information.  That's not what we want.  So far Michael has been civil and has been expressing his views in a polite manner and I would hope that should continue.  Please do not give him reason to misbehave.  This forum is to share infomation and discuss the issues affecting todays immigration and why we need reform.  Soon people will come and I want to make sure that the first thing they see is information and not personal attacks.  Believe me, if Michael shows a side of him that I don't like because it affects a thread or this forum, I will be there to make sure it doesn't start a ripple.  Then again, that goes for everyone.

Iamme.......... I give you my word I won't do it again so please don't worry about it lol......... I am a person of my word too....... If you take the time to get to know me you will find this out.

Michael

LOL, sure, but that's not me unless the post starts off boring, lol.  I'll see how I can do that.  This is my first time ever as moderator so don't get scared if you see posts flying all over the place like they shouldn't.    :P (Gosh, these smilies are terrible, lol)

My best to you Iamme.

I´ve conversed with the likes of that one before.
He´s all smoke and mirrors and feeds a line of hot air.

That´s fine and good.

TTFN

lol iamme........ don't worry you will get used to it.... just takes a little time that's all lol........ and I do agree lol the smilies do leave something to be desired. It took me a while to get used to running a BBS the first time I put one up........ :)
If you are a fist time Admin then it gets even scarier lol I remember my first time...... I deleted the whole board once lol.......... I was so not happy at that one....... lol but you live and learn.
I don't think you are boring but statistically people only read the first few paragraphs but I guess I am not one of those statistics........ They just get so long at times it's hard to touch on everything and all the different topics it brings up....... pretty soon 1 post takes up the whole page lol......
I use info pop for my boards......... it was a good program but they don't make it anymore but I still have the license for it and I like to use it.......... :)

Getting back on topic here...

I have observed much xenophobia at ALIPAC, though to MC's earlier point not everyone there is xenophobic or racist. Just like other groups, there is diversity, though the actions of W and his acolytes does drive moderates and certainly pro-legalization supporters away. Xenophobia is not a psycological disorder, just an extreme dislike of all things foreign.

Even more disturbing, there is clearly evidence of paranoia there in the various conspiracy theories. Paranoia is a disorder, which prevents those affected from thinking clearly, grasping the facts, etc.

One good example of both paranoia and xenophobia would be the so-called reconquista theory where Mexico is sending all these illegal immigrants as part of a strategy to reconquier the SouthWest.

Another is the North American Union, where Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. are secretly negotiating a merger of the three nations, to take place without the approval of the U.S. Congress. Both of these theories are just plain absurd and show a certain paranoia.

There's not a credible shred of evidence for reconquista, and the NAU is conjured up based upon nothing more than discussions between the leaders of the three nations about security issues, etc. Leaders of neighboring nations do that all the time.

William Gheen's claim that ALIPAC is under attack by extreme trolls who are trying a "false flag" operation by taking control of ALI-PAC and pretending they are nazi members is another.

Why don't they just ban the IP address of the evil ones? Answer: they have a fund raiser drive underway and need to whip up the hysteria and fear. Why, if ALI-PAC shuts down, W won't get a paycheck and he won't be able to restore our Republic! How aweful! (note the sarcasm here)

My humble opinion is that they are just creating new user accounts and pretending to be something they are not to make it look like the sight is under attack.  I mean, if they do/did it at HB, why not pretend on their own sight.  Remember those posters we had back when, Guriswald, and some other jokes, who claimed they weren't from Alipac, then went on over there and started posting like they were newbies?  I'm not talking about Mdillon, because honestly I do believe Mdillon when he says he's not an Alipacer (I could be wrong but that's how I feel).  However, I can usually pick up a persons personality by reading their posts, and when these new people come on at Alipac, some of them have a monotone to them, almost as if the personality is forced.  I don't know, but the very fact that they can try to deceive a whole forum and pretend that they are something they are not makes me certain that many of the newbies at Alipac are just long time members with a second account.  You do have to admit though, the strategy is good.  Make people believe that so many people are joining, sorta of like brainwashing them into believing that if others are doing it why not join the crowd.  I mean, go far back and look at how many people all of a sudden claim to have donated and then compare it to the FEC receipts.  Since they've started they've only had about less than 10 people donate in what 4 years?  They were hefty donations, but that just doesn't match to what they claim that so many people support Alipac.  ::) If people really thought this organization was worth it, you'd atleast see a $20 donation in there or something.

Thanks Dee but I'm not afraid to state what I've heard expressed or to ask questions.  MC can try to defend his psychological stance but no one referenced a psychological diagnosis to him PERSONALLY -- MC, please reference my quote above. 

I am not suggesting, nor have I ever suggested that ALL people that illegally migrate here are of the criminal element.......Some are and some are not.
Even some that come here legally have been been associated with the criminal element, but not all of them.
But I don't know how my stance would reflect on the question of ALIPACS mental policy being xenophobia.........
Are you making a group assumption or is this based on some individual posts?

Based on individual Alipac posts.

The mindset does not condone any type of immigration.  The rhetoric coming from the Alipac camp highlights America as an "exclusive" nation. 

There are many advocacy groups raising money for "legal immigration".  These groups have been attacked and subject to scrutiny by the Alipac members.  Some members have gone so far as to declare them "racist".  Very extreme.

There have been a huge number of individual posts on ALIPAC that demonstrated xenophobia. Xenophobia is not a psycological disorder, just extreme dislike of all things foreign.

Paranoia can be a psycological disorder, or might just be an irrational fear of something but not a disorder. I consider the reconquista and NAU theories to be paranoid conspiracy theories. Reconquista apparently originated from Barbara Coe, a known white supremacist, and the NAU seems to originate from the John Birch Society, famous for its collection of "commies taking over the United States" conspiracy theories since the 1950s.

W's claim of an extreme troll at ALIPAC seems wild as well. I don't understand why they don't just ban the person. Unless he broke into their computer system I doubt the troll broke any laws. Perhaps its just a coincidence that when they are struggling to meet a fund raising goal and W did not get a paycheck in November and December suddenly they find an extreme troll, and claim there's a false flag operation by fake nazis to discredit them, etc.

William Gheen will be on radio Monday morning. I wonder if they accept called in or e-mailed questions?

Mon. 2/12/2006

- 8AM EST / 5AM PST "The Morning Beat" with Curtis Wright broadcast on the Big Talker FM in Wilmington, NC Listen online via www.thebigtalkerfm.com

The name of the radio station "Big Talker" seems appropriate to the guests.

Here's a quote from a

GusGriswald said:
The picture of the pirate looking Mexican guy is really interesting. These are nothing but pirates. If allowed to become legal we can expect things like this. They won't abide by our copyright laws or Anti-Piracy laws. We
can expect to see this kind of thing coming from them in the future and it would only get worse. Total lack of creativity.

"If allowed to become legal"...idiot we are legal. 
"They won't abide by our copywrite laws" ....is there a copywrite law on the internet that protects the name alipac?  No, ALIPAC.us did not copywrite the name and when you registered your domain name you didn't register other urls .com or .net (oops sounds like someone on their side suffers from intelligence deficit disorder and creativity).


Lack of creativity - Wrong, I say its genius!!!!

William Gheen will be on radio again Monday morning! Here are the details:

Mon. 2/12/2006

- 8AM EST / 5AM PST "The Morning Beat" with Curtis Wright broadcast on the Big Talker FM in Wilmington, NC Listen online via www.thebigtalkerfm.com

Show description:

From the studios of The Big Talker 106.3/103.9 FM, Host Curtis Wright discuses the issues facing our community, our State and the Nation while bringing you the latest news, weather and a daily Market Report !  Smart and insightful, Curtis is always current and always knowledgeable.  Whether you agree or disagree with him, we guarantee you entertaining talk on the news of the day.

Listener call-ins and feedback are always a big part of The Morning Beat broadcasts !

Studio Phone Lines
        (910) 332-6390
        (800) 760-8190

Curtis’ Wright’s e-mail address, from their web site.

curtisw@sea-comm.com

Hummmmmmm no it's not copyright........... It comes under the heading of Trademark TM...
Trademarks do not have to be registered either......... but registering them does have certain advantages.

ALIPAC with or without a hyphen just so we can get it right? 

Add a k to the back of it and there goes the trademark idea -- get the picture? Forget the hyphen and oops am I bad!

...MC you are cracking me up with your attempt as a quarterback lawyer.

There goes your contribution dollars -- what another litigation threat?  Hahahahah, LOL!

Also with regards to the red, white and blue design...well let's just say it is owned by the United States of America and thank God for that.

Yea but there is no K or hyphen behind it............ ;) I'm glad I could provide you with a laugh today........ :)

The banner for alipac.net is not similar in design to Ali-PAC tm.  The Ali-Pac logo is nonexistent in this website.

Note the differences & really again thanks for the chuckles my friend. :D

On our home page, there is a specific disclaimer that we are not affiliated in any way with ALIPAC.US. Note there is no disclaimer on ALIPAC.US that they are not affiliated with the original Americans for Legal Immigration? ALI doesn't seem happy to be confused in any way with ALI-PAC (ALIPAC.US). >:(

Perhaps we should ask ALIPAC.US to post a disclaimer on their home page that they have no affiliation with ALIPAC.NET!  :D

That was a brilliant idea to hijack the name ALIPAC and do it legally since those guy didnt register the name ALIPAC ;D

Ive heard that william is pissed that there's another ALIPAC outhere  hahahahahahaha...william should come post here so we can debate comprheensive immigration reform...this is the home of the real ALIPAC.

Bob mentioned the other Americans for Legal Immigration website, along with their disclaimer that they are in no way affiliated with alipac.org (aka alipac.us.)

Something about not taking money off of people.

Anyway, I think Gheen would have a tough time proving a trademark on an acronym, especially since we're providing an antithesis to his Rave-A-Thon.

(And we ain't takin' money off people, neither.  :-X)

As for the ass-monkey calling me a pirate - would he say the same of a man with only one arm? How 'bout no legs? Is it my fault an old flame with a sharp toenail got a little too exuberant? As usual, idiots with no idea what they're talking about run off at the keyboard for no other reason than they give AOL their pop-bottle cash so they can check out alpaca porn.

(BTW: girls from Mexico rock.)

Do you have a screen shot of this one?
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=43056

That's my favorite.  I'd like to see that picture.  I'd entitle it "The Mensa Group Meeting at the Convenience Store"

Funny, all the responses are there, but the initial post isn't.

If it's that retarded "The delivery guy from [insert brand name here] saw a bunch of guys at the [convenience store, liquor store, corner store] and they were [talking in Spanish, talking in a Middle Eastern dialect] about [the success of 9-11, the success of the Migrant March], called his boss, and was told to take all the [insert brand name again] products out of the store" story, it's been zapped to death by snopes (http://www.snopes.com).

Seems like a bunch of those "shaggy dog" stories find their way up on ALIPAC.us, and all the gibbons shriek with glee.

I mean, if you get something like that in your email, and it sounds preposterous, it most likely is.

Tony, here you go again:
http://www.noillegals.com/

PUBLIC NOTICE

This is the Original AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION SITE (The Real One) and is NOT a PAC. We are not here to separate you from your money or to look more important than we are. We ask that you use this sites LINKS to better understand the problems of ILLEGAL immigration. If, you want to lend your voice to ours Sign up or e-mail us. There is enough work to go around and it's. . . FREE!

I would suggest that everyone save a screen shot of whatever they find at Alipac before posting a link.  They've a tendancy to snoop and when caught, they rush back to edit or delete whatever they know will show their true colors. ::)  Plus, I'm usually late to catch the evidence :( and I'm a very curious cat. :P

Yeah, and watch them run away when you present your findings! :P

:P

Yes, they are bullies. Threaten and cajole when they think they can steamroller over others, but when someone stands up to them they scurry away quickly. Typical bully behavior!

we need to fight off those racist people and clean our country off all racism.

They attacked and demonized african americans, now its the turn of the latinoes....All minority group should mobilize to fight off those nazi punks.

The best way to defeat them is to expose them as xenophobes and racists.

At the beginning of world war II, the American government developed a media campaign to fight the nazis. After studying it, our government decided the best way to motivate Americans to fight the nazis was to use the nazi's own propoganda against them. Americans were shown speeches of Hitler, Nazi film clips, etc. and quickly concluded the nazis are evil and we had to beat them no matter the cost.

Perfect...What we need is to take the quote of ALIPAC members that are very anti-hispanic and promote them everywhere.

The KKK article that staes that they are using the anti-immigration rhetoric to push for new recruits is one huge silver bullets because it shows the american people that those people are clearly racist and no matter how much they say they only want illegal immigrants to go home, they are truly racist.

We need to show the world who those bigots really are...Most of them are white, old bastards that are upset they are dying...their parents were probably bigots that hated blacks, so its in their blood to scapegoat people that arent white.

http://www.davidduke.com/?p=1060
David Duke, former (?) grand wizard of the KKK is supporting ALIPAC's boycott of Miller beer. I would think William Gheen of ALIPAC would want to distance himself from David Duke, but I see ALIPAC's materials are posted on David Duke's web site.

He probably has too much in common with the Wizard.  He's probably afraid too of a butt whoopin' if he did by guys in sheets.

We don't have too many problems with the guys in white sheets here in Minnesota...

We find a few KKKers frozen in the thawing snow every spring. The don't seem to have enough sense to realize white sheets don't provide enough warmth when it drops to -50F and he wind is blowing 30-40 MPH! They can't even find each other in the blowing snow.

Just kidding of course. :D

'course, there's the occasional klucker you have to chip off the nearest tree because nature called... :P

You know, that could give a new meaning to the term "tree hugger." :D

What if it wasn't trees but plastic cards?  Ya know what I'm trying to say --- Please post that baby, WMan!!!!! :D

We're all waiting -- right here!  Can I get a booya!

I thought of a new name for ALIPAC.US, since they have so many xenophobes.

How about Xenophobes Anonymous? XA?

I found just the thing for all those xenophobes afraid of all these little brown "aliens" invading from across the border:
http://www.stopabductions.com/

Here's ALIPAC.US raging at the Xenophobia thread on HB:
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=257928

Note how they discuss how they're going to come to HB and disrupt things. I assume they did the same thing here.

I notice "Doctor" has left us, after we enforced the rules and did not let him make personal attacks or post racist material (except in context). I think he was from ALIPAC.US and was trolling here. He was treated fairly, much more fairly than one of us would have been treated at ALIPAC.US.

Here's another ALIPAC rant from Dragons5, this time complaining about the U.S. Postal Service advertising in Spanish and sending money to Mexico. Of course the ranter assumes that anyone sending money to Mexico must be an illegal immigrant. Of course he makes light of the African-American clerk behind the counter, as if somehow that's relevant.

Hey, wait a second...don't legal immigrants send money to family members back in Mexico too?

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=56571

If you haven't Noticed the USPS is getting cozy with the spanish language.

I never go there, mostly because I don't send many packages or letters, but had to pick up a certified letter the other day. I drive down and notice the same banner on the front of the building telling people in Spanish to send money to Mexico with the USPS.

Then once I get inside I see a newer banner which says the same thing. I look around, not one single banner in english or advertising anything besides sending money to Mexico.

I asked the African-American women at the counter what the banners were all about and she said "Its for those type of people that need to send money to Mexico" and I asked her "what about Canadians?" She just looked at me funny.

So I grabbed one of those lil brochures that says I can tell the USPS exactly what I think by calling. I call the number and of course it's an automated system with nothing on it about talking to an operator. So i fumble around for about for a few minutes until the system finally gets me to a "Customer Service Professional".

It was then I reached a guy, sry name I didnt catch. A little peeved I told him exactly what I wanted to tell the USPS, that I dont appreciate one arm of the US Government aiding and abetting illegal aliens while another fights them off.

The young man then told me, a little angry at me, that it was to protect Mexicans money. I decided to play a little game and told the guy that I was born in Mexico but a Naturalized US Citizen and that I thought it was a bunch of crap. I asked him where the banners in Farci, French, and Swahili were. I then repeated that I do not think that illegal aliens need help sending their $20 billion to Mexico.

The representative then told me, very angry, that Mexico is our largest trading partner buying $300 million worth of goods every year from us.

Of course I pointed out that that equals a trade deficit less than 1/20th of what we send to them comes back in trade and that is not a very good deal. I then told him that I think the USPS needs to discontinue this practice and start focusing on good hardworking English speaking Americans.

The customer service rep then told me "Im sorry you're prejudice". To which I replied "What? did you not hear me say I was born in Mexico?".

Then he told that I was not a real hispanic and called me a piece of racist white trash and hung up.

I called in to talk to his supervisor and explained what had happened. Instead of telling me he was in the wrong and that this problem would be dealt with she told me she would take my complaint.

She also then told me that Taxpayers do not pay the USPS salary but people who buys stamps, and if they can sell those stamps to people sending money out of the country then they will.

Notice how they always tell everyone off. ::)  They make themselves sound so talented, and chances probably are, they didn't do shit. Probably walked in and out of the post office without saying a word and fantasized the rest in the bathroom.  ::)

This is the same guy that claimed someone from HB was attacking his web site.

I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

The boy's story, that is.

Oh, I'm sure he called Customer Service, and I'm sure he tried to pass himself off as Hispanic, but I ain't buyin 'the whole "he called me racist white trash and hung up" thing.

Every call center across the country uses computerized equipment to detail every call taken. They also record most calls for just such an incident as dragon boi describes. They also monitor the calls: the Supervisors occasionally tap into a call using the computerized system (no, you'll never know when they've tapped, you can't hear it.)

But his whole "I pretended to be from Mexico" thing pretty much describes some of the tactics used on forums by these idiots.

DragonS5 posted another comment at ALIPuke.us a couple of weeks ago.  He went through the drive-through at McDs, and the Latino workers got his order wrong.  He claimed it was the 4th time he went to that McD's and it was the fourth time they got his order wrong (you'd think after the third time he'd check before he drives away).  Of course he blamed it on the Latino workers and called the place and whined.

Here's a little tidbit from his own site:
Of course he adds a disclaimer after that saying that he only posted this for entertainment purposes and doesn't really want anyone to attack that guy's site.
http://www.radiorevolt.com/news.php

ALIPuke? I thought it was ALICRAP!

No you got it wrong, its Ali-CRAP with a hyphen! :P

Before you know it Dragons5 will be here to tell us how we attacked his site, libeled him, we're all racists, and he's going to prosecute us before he sues us...

They all play from the same playbook!

Probably another sick ALIPACer. Title is "Most Hispanics No. 1 Skill--Sex and Baby Production"
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_B/threadview?m=tm&bn=1903&tid=203858&mid=203858&tof=54&frt=2

I encourage everyone to report as abuse. Disgusting!

And here's another one: Most Hipanics No. 2 Skill--Living Like Jack Rabbits 
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_B/threadview?m=tm&bn=1903&tid=203859&mid=203859&tof=53&frt=2

This was the airhead claiming an adult from HB was trying to bring down his site?

Btw, for a laugh, head over to dipshit's "news center" and check out his brain implosion over an outage in his area. Boy almost crapped his pants! I can imagine the aneurysm in his two-watt cranium bopping up and down like a "Whack-a-Mole" on crack.

Comedy Gold.

I'm waiting for this crudhole to post more indignant stuff on HB, then paste this up there.

I'm still waiting for Dragon to sue me, as promised on HB. It's not cold here anymore and I'm just aquivering in my boots! Yea, right.

More xenophobia by dragons5, claiming the federal reserve system is part of a plan to integrate the U.S. into a world government. Some others chime in to claim the age old claims that banking is controlled by Jews, etc. And they call us Nazis!
http://tinyurl.com/3c6j7t

Dragons5:

Cindy:

CrocketsGhost:

Both have been deleted thank goodness.

Besides hes probably jealous cause Latino men "got it going on!!!!"    :P  ;)  :-[

I've seen those same threads before on the BAC thread on Yahoo Finance. Glad someone reported them and hopefully banned the poster. Problem is he's probably back with a different user ID.

I'll be curious to see if ALIPAC deletes the thread I just posted. Probably not.

AmericanElizabeth from ALIPAC.US claims this web site is very useful to understanding illegal immigration's impact on your town.
http://www.city-data.com/

Problem is, this web site does not provide statistics about illegal immigration, only demographics by race, ethnicity, etc.! It is obvious AmericanElizabeth equates Hispanics with illegal immigration, though less than 20% of Hispanics are illegal immigrants. In other words she tacitly admits she is anti-Hispanic, not anti-illegal immigrant.


http://tinyurl.com/27fgbp

Yahoo needs to be confronted on the anti-Hispanic rhetoric being posted & liz is an idiot.  There is no illegal information on the demographics mentioned.

AmericanElizabeth is full of shit and just about as racist as they get.  No wonder those "fake Nazi's" loved her.  It's easy to see how deep her shit goes.  Here's a flashback for just this year on Gresham, Oregon.  Look at the crimes committed, NONE ARE BY UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, and the majority of the crimes are by done by white American's, followed by Hispanic Americans. 
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/east_multnomah_county/

You can also find the article in which AE claims there are 114 gangs, "most of them Hispanic", here http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/03/gresham_holds_forum_to_address.html, but notice how the article makes no mention as to the race of the gang members.  However, it does state "Robberies were up 34 percent and assaults 13 percent." and if you look at the blog link I gave above, most of the assaults and robberies are done by white Americans, not undocumented immigrants or "hispanic" gang members.  ::)

I believe AmericanElizabeth is the same Elizabeth that contributed around $5,000 to ALIPAC last year, according to ALIPAC's FEC disclosures. I won't post her full name and address here because we adopted a policy of not publishing personally identifiable information here.

Nice to know the attitude of their #1 contributor in 2006!

She's got a righteous wild hair up her ass!

I wonder what she got in return?

a wild hair up her ass  :-\ ;D

 :046: :045:

I'm sure there's a web site about that somewhere...

She is crazier than a March Hare!

ALIPACer Dragons5 is quitting MySpace, because MySpace started a Spanish language site. Now what does that have to do with illegal immigration? Since MySpace is owned by the parent of Fox News, I guess he won't be watching any more Fox News either.


http://tinyurl.com/2og6ry

What an idiot!  Don't tell me they want to control the internet now?  Or does he think that the US owns the WORLD WIDE web? ::)

Wasn't dragonshit that poster who threatened us on HB?  I remember that idiot saying she had a virus and it was all HB's fault.  Remember, she claimed the authorities have been called. A total waste of a human being.  

This reminds me back in the day the word of a man or woman meant everything...Nowadays, especially at the Gheenite camp of "wake and bake" their words are plopped around worse than crap (some crap serves as fertilizer), their crap is meaningless.  The words that come out of their mouths are cheap, rancid babel.  The group intentionally lie, twist, distort and manipulate reports.  The process has gone unchecked.  I'm telling you the group will meet the authorities or legal troubles one day Bob.  Then you and I can crack open a beer and have the last laugh.

This is another example of a xenophobe claiming the Spanish language is being "forced" on them. Everything has to be their way or "it's the highway."

Of course MySpace offering a Spanish language site has nothing to do with illegal immigration, and no one is "forcing" him to participate in a Spanish languate MySpace.

I'm sure MySpace can do without dragons5 and his fellow xenophobes.

I think if I remember right My Space doesn't allow racist sites on their site.  Have to check their TOS.

Which would fit - he gets his site closed down due to racist remarks, then he turns around and says he took it down because of the Spanish language site... typical.

Actually this is a good thing even if she/he did persoanlly take down that site.  One less place to spread their RACIST shit.

http://tinyurl.com/2fckkn

Another example of xenophobia at ALIPAC.US. The poster says Bush should be impeached for "Failing in his constitutional duties, willfully or otherwise, to protect the states from Invasion", "aiding and abetting illegal immigration", among other treasonous and impeachable acts. This guy must have come straight from the lunatic fringe, but fits right in with the other ALIPACers!

Dipstick lied, his MySpace page is still up (who the hell uses MySpace once they get past 15?)

Even better, check this out:


I swear, this kid's a comedian!

Now here's a former San Diego resident who claims she fled San Diego, like a refugee escaping an invasion, to get away from all the illegal immigrants, Spanish language music in stores, etc.! It really bothered her that other "Americans" didn't object to illegal immigrants as much as she did. Imagine that!

 Of course she had no idea which Hispanics were illegal immigrants and which ones weren't; any Hispanics she saw she assumed were illegal immigrants. She apparently 'found paradise' in Wisconsin because everyone is "American" and there's no "culture" of illegal immigrants, but won't give out the name of the town for fear the illegal immigrants will follow her there. Sheesh!
http://tinyurl.com/2oulrk

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Like if she says where she went to everyone is going to go just to personally ruin her "paradise"  What an idiot!!!!!!!

Even better...

Give it five years, she'll be moving to Anchorage.

No, Anchorage won't work for her even now. Only 72% white "American" and 6.9% Hispanic "illegal aliens". In addition, 8.5% native American, who to the xeno crowd look just like Hispanics, so we end up with 6.9% + 8.5% = 15.4% illegal alien population.

Anchorage grew 7.1% in the last six years. Must be all those "anchor babies" in "Anchor"-age from "illegal aliens."
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/02/02020.html

You beat me to it Bob and did a better job at explaining it than me too, KUDOS!!!!

I have been to Anchorage twice as a matter of fact it is AWESOME!!!!  But the cost of living is outrageous.  Never will forget seeing he norther lights while I was there.  You could kind of hear and feel them along with seeing them.  It wasn't like here in the lower 48 where you wee then on the northern horizon.  Up there they are over the top of you and all arround you it is INCREDIBLE!!!  And the colors! OMG!!!

The Kenai peninsula  Was really neat we looked at the Russian infuence that is so over whelming there.  All these buildings with the onion style dome on top of them!!!  It was really beautiful.

I've flown over Alaska on my way to East Asia numerous times. That state is really beautiful. I stopped over in Anchorage once but didn't get a chance to see much. I'd like to bring my new family to visit Alaska sometime.

We see the northern lights here in Minnesota sometimes. They are really stunning, but I imagine look even better further north.

Oh yeah!  Well I've been to Italy! :P  Ok, it was Italy, Texas, but SO!! :D :P

So have you been to Paris, Texas too? :D

OK I was a bit spoiled as a kid.  I had family who worked in the airline industry and for a long time we got family passes to go where ever we wanted.  But then my parents were into traveling even if it was by car or later on by RV for vacations.

The Oregon coast is incredible also and the Columbia River gorge may not be quite as grand as the Grand Canyon but it is still incredible.  Even watched a lazer light show over the Columbia River gorge in an old vinyard.  Breathtaking!

Oh and I have been to Harlem!!!  Harlem Montana that is!!!!   :005:

When we were young, we had to travel to West Virginia because they had the only doctors that could perform head surgery on my brother.  I remember during those times we'd zig zag to every state from here to West Virginia.  Two times I remember the most was watching a tornado form in Little Rock, Arkansas and when we went mountain hiking in North Bend when everyone was wishing us "Good Luck" as we were hiking down the mountain.  We didn't realize what the "Good Luck" was for until we had to turn back and hike back UP the mountain. :o

http://tinyurl.com/2uj3rb

I think we have an example here of even more fervent hate (or paranoia).  A bee with a Spanish accent in a commercial on TV is interpreted to be part of the [Hispanic] invasion.  The character is not even speaking Spanish but just has an accent.

First it was illegal immigrants that they objected to.  Then immigrants in general.  Then Hispanic people and the Spanish language.  Now they get upset because a character on TV has an accent.  Gheen has got these people whipped up into a frenzy.

The latest post is interesting:

Notice how it's objectionable that a bee has a Spanish accent, but it's OK if Frito Lay runs "Frito Bandido" commercials that foster negative stereotypes of Hispanics?

Did any of these xenophobes object when the bee character had a French accent? I doubt it!

Here's another one from ALIPAC.US:


http://tinyurl.com/yut7l4

Such an estute and educated professional! He forgot to put his name, title, date and school on his paper. :o

I am for accuracy, I would like to research his paper.  I think I will call the school directly to gather details for our mitos page.

Don't ya just love the contradiction in these sentences:


The students throw away the food, but they are obese? :017:

Look, I work with the food program that provides these free meals and I can tell you right off the bat, IF food is getting wasted that badly, that's the schools fault, not the students.  A school is REQUIRED to serve a child regardless of whether the child eats the food or not.  To serve a child means placing a plate in front of that child.  If a child is not present, then the school does not count that child for the free meal.  In other words, if the children did not go to school because they were protesting, then that means the school should NOT have made food for those students.

But, free meals does not mean that the meals are the only thing getting paid for.  The cooks get paid from the states reimbursement.  If the school needs pots and pans, that's included with the check.  Whoever files the required paper work gets from 10-15% of the reimbursement.  The meals are the cheapest of the cost.  Even the rent of the building can be reimbursed when it comes to Title I schools.  Like I said, the meals are the cheapest.

Sorry, I just got up to there and knew the rest was a bunch of crock.

Honestly, I could care less if I have to pay extra taxes for a childs education or meals.  I'd rather it go for that than to having children needlessly incarcerated or for a needless war or to defend stupid lawsuits because of idiots like this one who want to violate the constitutional rights of others. ::)

My response to the person that sent me the e-mail:

General observations:

She could not know the legal status of her students, as schools are not allowed to ask.
E-mail blends a few truths with many falsehoods.
Assumes illegal immigrants receive welfare benefits, but the truth is that illegal immigrants and legal immigrants with less than five years resident status are barred from nearly all federally funded welfare benefits. About half of the states provide benefits to legal immigrants with less than five years of permanent resident status, while the other half provide none. Prior to the 1996 federal bar, eligible legal immigrants used welfare benefits at half the rate of eligible U.S. citizens. There is no scientific study showing immigrants come to the U.S. to receive welfare benefits. Colorado spent $2 million on a big study to determine whether illegal immigrants use welfare, and found essentially none.
Crime rates for both legal and illegal immigrants are lower than for citizens. By the third or fourth generation, crime rates equalize to those of citizens not descended from recent immigration. That’s assimilation, but probably not the sort we’d like to see.
50% of illegal immigrants live below the poverty line, as do 25% of legal immigrants, and about 11% of citizens.
Anyone picking tomatoes to earn a living would use more government services than paying in taxes. Replace illegal immigrants working in low skills jobs with citizens and the cost of government services would greatly increase because the citizens would be eligible for welfare programs while illegal immigrants are not eligible for most government services such as welfare, Medicaid, etc.  

TOMATOES AND CHEAP LABOR

This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.

From a California school teacher - - -"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you
should be aware of: The protests are not just by illegal immigrants, but many legal immigrants and citizens are protesting as well.

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.


Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a
full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays
and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK) The way I understand reduced price (not free) program is that qualified children receive a discount against what they would have to pay. There’s no reason why a school would have to buy much more food than eaten by students. It is true that poor illegal immigrant children receive discounted meals.
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The
school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK) Again, how does she know the legal status of her students? U.S. citizen teenage girls get pregnant and go to school too.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial.

I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative
students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students
here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things
that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc.  Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this
country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements? (Again, illegal immigrants don’t receive most welfare benefits).
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and
they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it.  Does anyone in their right mind
really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way. Typical for the xenophobe lobby: always throw in a disclaimer that they are only against illegal immigrants, to avoid the charge they are racist. Their illegal immigrants are invariably Hispanic, though at least 30% of illegal immigrants aren’t Hispanic. The truth is that xenophobes are often not racists, but there are white supremacists behind or embedded into many of the anti-immigrant groups. A good example would be the large Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform (FAIR), which received millions in funding from the Pioneer Fund, a notorious white supremacist organization that for decades also funded research studies to prove that whites are superior to non-whites. FAIR also spawned 13 other anti-immigrant groups, creating the impression the extreme anti-immigrant movement is much larger than reality. In Washington, the radical anti-immigrant organizations are referred to as “astro-turf” because they try to present themselves as mainstream “grass roots” organizations but in reality are fringe groups.
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and
dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do anything about it. (Now that’s odd…I’ve met quite a few Latin Americans that are educated and value education. Sounds like a stereotype to me). Several credible studies show Hispanic immigrants do assimilate. Descendents of immigrants with poor educational attainment require more generations to normalize with the native born population, while children of college educated immigrants have equal educational attainment to citizens. Children of U.S. born parents with low educational attainment also have lower educational attainment. Several credible studies also show Hispanic immigrants highly value learning English. Slow assimilation has more to do with poor education of the first generation than any attitudes against assimilation.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know. CHEAP LABOR?  Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
But the bottom line is cheap labor.  The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.  He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour.  At that wage, with six dependents, he
pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return,  he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. (not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants are barred from welfare programs)He qualifies for food stamps. (not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants are barred from welfare programs)
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care. (illegal immigrants qualify only for emergency Medicaid, and most legal immigrants are barred from federal funded Medicaid as well).His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school. (True)
He requires bilingual teachers and books. (True)
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. (True)
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. (Not true – illegal immigrants and most legal immigrants do not receive SSI).
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. (Also not true)
All of this is at taxpayer's expense. He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance. (no statistical basis to make this statement)

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. (true – however many legal immigrants and citizens speak Spanish as their first language. Puerto Ricans in particular speak Spanish as a first language, and they are native born citizens, not immigrants.)
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits. (Doubtful emergency Medicaid and school lunches add up to this)
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayer's also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up. (Statistics show immigrants, both legal and illegal, commit less crime than citizens. As the descendents of immigrants assimilate, crime rates meet those of citizens by the fourth generation).

Cheap labor?   YEAH RIGHT!   Wake up people . . . .

This idiot also forgets that not all undocumented immigrants come here with 5 children or earn 5 to 6 an hour.  I know MANY undocumented immigrants that earn well above 9 an hour.  Construction and pipelining are very well paid jobs.  I believe that farm labor is the lowest paid job for immigrants, and even so, you're talking about minimum wage.

Having experience with the paper work of food programs, I can tell you this much, many parents refuse to provide Social Security numbers.  I personally know many of these parents, so I know why they would refuse to give a SS#  ;).  Now, the reason a SS# is needed is because if a parent is low income they qualify for free meals.  No SS#, then they automatically become "Paid".  Paid and Reduced doesn't mean a child does not get a free meal or that they have to pay anything.  Children, regardless of whether they are rich or poor, will get a free meal.  "Free", "Reduced", and "Paid" just means the school will get reimbursed at a different rate based on a childs meal catagory and the number of children enrolled.  In order for ANY school to qualify for "Free Meals" they have to have more "Free" and "Reduced" students than they have "Paid", atleast 25% of enrollment.  So, if you have 100 students, all you need is 25 or those students to be free or reduced in order for all 100 to qualify for free meals.  A thing to keep in mind:  Schools DON'T HAVE TO participate in these programs.  A school can say "Bring your own lunch".  The only reason they don't is because they get money from the reimbursement, because in reality, the school is paying for the food, not our tax dollars.  Our tax dollars are just reimbursing the school for having paid for the food that they really didn't have to buy in the first place.  Not to mention all the other details the schools want to get reimbursed for, like the ink for the printer that printed their paper work, the paper to print the paper work, the pens, soap, laundry detergent, pots and pans, brooms, mops, thermometers, ovens, toasters, refridgerators, water treatments, even a remodeling of the kitchen!!

and that, in a nutshell, is what it's all about.

Money.

And lest we forget, the more money schools bring in, the more money they can pay their teachers, especially when they're getting extra for that Masters and PhD in education, regardless of what they teach or their capabilities.

And also, lest Ms. Patriot forgets, if it wasn't for those ungrateful little whelps she derides, she wouldn't have a job.

I have my doubts whether she is even a school teacher. The whole e-mail has a fake quality about it.

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=63463

It's endless.

This guy seems to have a problem with Disney permitting Latinos to have birthday parties at their resorts.

Yes, to the xeno crowd those quinceñera parties look like an alien invasion and a threat to our republic and way of life. Better to nip it in the bud!  ::)

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=63417

And then there's this guy.

"Dear Latinos: Screw You"

He disagrees with something that a few Latinos did, but yet he gives the "screw you" to all Latinos.  This seems to be a common trait that many ALICRAPPERS have.  They have contempt for an entire group based on the actions or statements of a minority of the group's members.

I've only been to one of these, and it was a great party.  Everyone had a great time.  Most of the guests were non-Hispanics, and I don't think anyone was offended by the celebration. 

I think "This guy" is really a girl.  I mean, what do you expect from someone with a handle "swatchick"?  That's a short nickname for "swat(ztika)chick".  ::)

I've been to one of these too. The guests were a mix of Hispanics and non-Hispanics, and everyone had a great time. I don't see what's the problem with the xenos other than they are just plain anti-Hispanic.

Let' just say that ANYONE that can afford a Quincenera at Disney is more than likely going to be a legal Hispanic.  Sheesh!!  I was lucky to even have chicken sandwiches for my Quince, and I'm pushing it by even calling it a Quincenera.  It was more of a cook out.  :-[

I wonder how many xenos complain about illegal immigrants likely present at St. Patty's Day partys?

Here's another one. A news article talks about how Hispanic immigrants add "spice" to North Carolina.
http://tinyurl.com/2blqze

Sample responses:



And "W" 'hisself' chimes in:

But they're not anti-Hispanic though...just ask William Gheen. ::) He called the news article "propoganda."

Freakin Gweeny boy if NOTHING but a propagandist (misleading)....like he has room to be saying ANYTHING.  All one has to do is take a lQQk at his site, it's riddle with hatred & lies.

...........and ALL for his 'personal' gain...

So for those of YOU that support Gweeny boy and his 'personal' agenda...when the sh!t hits the fan I hope YOU know you'll be smiling with brown stains on your teeth..

I was being facicious. Did you see my eyes rolling?  ::)

I don't think Gheen has any supporters here, only guest viewers checking this thread out, and probably Gheen ' hisself.'

http://tinyurl.com/3xx7a8

Someone was "banned for being and OBL supporter".  I don't know what this person did.  Not only did they ban the person, but it seems as if they deleted all the comments.  It must have been very damaging to their cause.

They've said before that they permit dissenting opinions.  We've known for a long time that they'll ban anyone for disagreeing.  Maybe this is a step toward them being more honest.  What do you think?

Sounds more like somebody got their panties in a bunch and zapped all the comments.

Typical, really.

Here's their rules. Now which one prohibits someone from having a different opinion? Note how they put rule #6 at the top to state posts on their web site do not represent ALIPAC positions? We if individual posts don't represent ALIPAC positions, then why do they need to ban someone and delete their posts because they have a different opinion?

http://tinyurl.com/2ojt8a

Note their definition of race baiting, which they liberally interpret to mean any post that questions the latent or even overt racism or xenophobia pervasive on ALIPAC.US.

SenorGuapo....It was 'me' that they 'completely' banned from their site...

My initial comment/and or question was to one of their poster's asking them 'if they thought' their comment about the Mexican flag being on toilet paper wouldn't offend those that had Mexican Ancestry...that was my question....

Then all of sudden....I had their 'Superhero' moderator...greet me with a 'Warning' meanwhile other 'RABID' members were calling my all sorts of negative names (personally attacking me, which I thought was against the TOS) and they were not being 'warned' by their so call 'superhero' either...even after I had brought it to his/her attention.....Well....I held composure until I got fed up and told their 'superhero' that I had not been able to express views on the immigration,  but instead had to go on a tit for tat with their 'rabid' members...in which...the comment 'rabid members' caused my banned...So,

If they are talking about or have even remotely expressed for the allowance of dissenting views...they are a bunch of lying 'rabid'  old buzzardsl....

.....AND yes Alipacer's....you can tell YOUR Gweeny boy....that this post came from 'PIPPAH' the one his so-call 'superhero' moderator censored, because THEY were TOO freakin scared to face the truth, as Gweeny boy had my post removed because he COULDN'T refute them ......

Better yet....tell 'Gweeny boy' I 'Pippah', said..... him and his 'superhero' moderator are both Vaginas!

If they didn't threaten to sue you or report you to the FBI, then you probably didn't do anything THAT bad.  Sometimes they get very strict when they have what they think is important activism to attend to.  Gheen doesn't want his followers to be distracted with dissenting opinions right now.  They're busy learning how to block caller ID so that they can misrepresent themselves to senators.

They did worse to me. First, they got really nasty when I didn't agree with some of their more extreme positions. Then I tried to explain about how LEGAL immigrants get the runaround from Social Security and other agencies, and they posted in a PUBLIC FORUM that my wife is an illegal immigrant. Those posts are still there.

I sent a PM to the admin who posted this nonsense that her statement was completely false, that my wife has never been here illegally, and to please remove it. I refused to engage in a public debate about whether my wife is a criminal or not.

First, that's really none of their damned business, and second debating an allegation like that is a little like answering a question like "so when did you start beating your wife?" Dignifying such a question implies there's truth to it. The proper answer is not to refuse to respond, in other words refuse to dignify the question with an answer.

I finally wrote to Gheen himself complaining about the illegal immigrant false allegation, that my posts were being selectively censored, that his moderators and admins were making personal attacks, violating their rules, etc. Gheen's response was to label me a "closet open borders liberal" and to ban me. In other words, you can be on the same side of the immigration issue with them, but if you are less extreme than they are then you are a "closet open borders liberal."

I agree with both Happip and Bob.  I saw the posts they're talking about and I can tell you that nothing justified their being banned.  Bob was just trying to defend that not all Hispanics are illegal immigrants and for that, he got called on for race baiting??  It was downhill from there, as that justification enough for some moderators to call Bob on the immigration status of his wife.  It is why these people should never have any say so on things they know nothing about.  To someone who doesn't know the process of becoming legal, the question posed sounded like a valid reason to assume Bob's wife was illegal.

In Happip's case, I read her comment about the Mexican flag and agree that she said nothing that would break any of the forum rules.  Immediately it was labled as race baiting.  It's the only forum rule they rely on when silencing opposing views.  Race baiting to them is mentioning Mexico or Mexican, and following the word with something positive or something in defense of.  ::)

LMSAO @ Caller I.D blocking.... you know SenorGuapo, actually Im not in the least worried about them banning me from their site, as I have better & more positive things on my agenda, and although I despise people like them I will not sit all day b & m about them on a pc, but rather put opposition into action in a more diplomatic way. 

However, I must also admit...that I too sometimes get bored and need comical relief, which is why I registered on their forum....some of the things said/posted on that forum are outrageous, so outrageous their funny...

..And as far as them calling the alphabet boys....they dont know who their dealing with... :D

I let the admin who posted that accusation know via PM that my family had always been legal, in case there was a misunderstanding, but she refused to back down and kept trying to engage me in a debate, and moreover kept trying to claim I called her a racist, which is absolute nonsense.

At ALIPAC.US you can bash Hispanics all you want, but if you question anyone's Hispanic bashing then you are a "race baiter." I'm sorry, but asking someone to back up their claims with statistics is not race baiting, not even according to ALIPAC.US's definition on their web site.

Here's another one for you. The poster thinks the FCC should crack down on the Spanish language networks for not having subtitles in English, balanced programming, blah, blah, blah... ::)


http://tinyurl.com/2reslx

Aren't some of these stations NOT in America?  I could be wrong, but some of the stations here air in Mexico and are viewed here.  They're obviously very popular as is, or else it wouldn't be a business.  Telemundo and Univision obviously have survived so long without subtitles.  American's obviously don't mind these stations so long as they have their own channels to view.

 ::) talk about irony...

Besides, that's why they should learn Spanish.  :P

More English only ranting from ALIPAC.US. They want to call all the Walmarts and imply there they will boycott if they have bilingual signs.


http://tinyurl.com/2n7bsl

This ALIPACer refused to visit her beauty salon until they stop playing Spanish language broadcasting, music, etc.

Oh my gag reflexes!!  :078:  Oops, sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone.  I was barfing in Spanish.  :P

Man, I thought I was corny, but this person really tops it off.  First off, these people always boost their own egos by making it sound like they've the upper hand.  I bet you they got into it and once the guy told her it's based on demographics, she was like "Oh, ok, thank you, bye."  Man, where do they come up with this stuff.  Oh yeah, I called Wal-Mart and I told them "You better do as I say or else!"  and the manager was like "Yes'm!  Yes'm!  I'll do it right away"  and I was like "You better or else!"  and the manager was like "Oooooh!  Pleease don't hurt me!!  Pleease don't boooycott my businesss!  Oh the agony!  The pain!!  Theeeee toooorrrtuuuuure!!! "  :064:
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Well....I tell you what....their going to have a very hard time getting any results on translated signs....because if they THINK walmart is going to undercut it's stockholders to appease an xenophobic minority, their in for a reality check...WalMart don't care about ANYTHING else but making MONEY...and if these signs are based on demographics for that area, they have even less of a chance....what oxy morons they are...

How does that saying go:  Money talks and Bullsh!it walks

However, as far as demographics go....I'd be interested in seeing just 'how' they justify I.C.E raiding or stopping someone because they lQQK or Talk like an 'undocumented'....

Clue: demograpic records indicate the majority of our un/documented come from this country...

Besides that...they'd be stupid to boycott the translations while ignoring the 'international isles' that most large grocery stores have in their stores....

As Im not mistaken those products are in their perspective languages...and not translated in English... :-\

like I said 'oxy morons'...

I just don't get it.  These idiots go around saying immigrants don't adjust to our language and that if we go to other countries we'd have to accomodate to their language.  However, the whole world has twisted over backwards to learn the English language.  What the hell are they talking about other countries not accomodating our language?  They all practically speak English!!  Even the Alipac's nemisis, Mexico, accomodates to the English speaker.  All they got to do is GO to Mexico to figure that out.  ::)

Now that is really good Iamme! ROTFLMAO!!!
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 :044:  Now let's see them BOYCOTT the Whitehouse.....ROTFLMSAO!!!! :P
   

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Just because they're speaking Spanish, he concludes that they're criminals.  No one rebukes him.

If the stations are like the ones in L.A, it's mostly sexual innuendo and Used Cars.

With the occasional skit combining both.

...y mucho, mucho mas!

W thinks it's insane for Santa Fe to hire new police who are legal immigrants but not yet citizens:


http://tinyurl.com/23hj9g

I saw the original news that Santa Fe was *considering* this action get mutated into a post just a few days ago that was up in arms that "illegal aliens" *had* been hired for police officers in Santa Fe, and fully blaming "Richardson" saying it was another reason not to trust him (the Governor doesn't have any input on hiring police for a New Mexico city)...

Speaking of news stories, CNN's Lou Dobbs, Minutemen, etc, did anyone else see the story on CNN for the library on the Canadian border, until very recently where you could walk through the front door to exit the back door to change countries? Why isn't there the high pitched voices to build a wall through the library (it's just a "request" for patrons not to do that now). Letsee, is a terrorist going to cross at a location that has heavy enforcement or where the eye may be turned away?

The thing is, they can't stand for Hispanics to get ahead in life.  It's why they fight anything that betters the Hispanic way of life.  Notice their trend.  They complain that undocumented immigrants live 20 to a house  :-\, yet, when an undoucmented immigrant buys a home, they complain that they shouldn't be able to get a home.  They complain that "anchor babies" (Hispanics really) dumb down education, yet, when an "anchor baby" becomes something great, they get upset claiming it's on THEIR tax dollars and what about THEIR children and that THEIR tax dollars shouldn't go to "anchor brats" as one guy so put it.  They complain that undocumented immigrants drive without licenses, yet they don't want to budge on giving them licenses.  They complain that they drive without insurance, yet how the hell can they get insurance if they don't have license?  They claim they're stealing American jobs, yet they gloat about it when they see them looking for work on the corner. 

One idiot asks, "Where will their loyalty lay?" if they become police officers.  What a fool!  You see, it's why these people should have no say in anything they know little of.  Obviously this idiot has never been to Mexico to realize that Mexican police officers treat their own like shit.  Worse yet, when they come over here, they treat their own even worse, looking down their noses.  Now, I'm generalizing because not all are the same.  There are some very kind Mexican police officers in Mexico.  The Mexican-American police officers I know here are just as strict as the Anglo-American police officers.  The only difference is, the Mexican American police officer won't care if you're white when he stops you.  If you did something wrong, you'll get punished for it.  On the contrary, you'll rarely see a white police officer pulling over a white driver.  Maybe it's what these Alicrappers are afraid of, that in the future we'll have to do to them what they do to us, like maybe choose a white neighbor hood to raid, or a white neighborhood to set up a road block?  Considering some of them are Minutemen, I don't blame them for being afraid what with the drugs they do at home and all.   ;)

Of course also questioning where Latino servicemembers (while I remember something about an ethnicity with the highest percentage for the Congressional Medal of Honor, fitting for the timeframe of this post) have their loyalties too (in the "coming civil war"). I've stated that the heavist qualified person in the command structure for my unit is a Legal Permanent Resident (and also Latino). But that would probably be answered by Gheenites that it was something hig "gang" put him up to for later warfare in the "reconquista".

The cheap tomatoes story is posted again at ALIPAC.US:
http://tinyurl.com/ynt6w7
Note the intro.
Her sole criteria to recognizing an illegal immigrant is the pregnant/newborn mother and family are speaking Spanish. Now how can the poster know the patient and family are all illegal immigrants without looking at their papers? Don't many legal immigrants and citizens speak Spanish as a first language too? How does a hospital volunteer know the patient's insurance coverage is Medicaid? Because the patient is Hispanic? Hospitals are not even allowed to ask immigration status by federal law!

Which bring up the question:

If this so offends that vaginal orifice, why in hell is she volunteering?

optical illusion filled with worms...may be the answer.. :-\

Here's an ALIPACer who was speechless after visiting Denver and seeing all those "Mexicans", of course without know anybody's legal status or whether they were Mexican, Central American, or native born Americans of Hispanic descent.

The others all quickly chime in about the "invasion", etc.

More:

A noob complains about Spanish being on signs in a hardware store in New Jersey.
http://tinyurl.com/2fzqky
One commentor asks why the signs aren't in Korean or Chinese.  In areas where there are a lot of Korean people, there are signs in Korean at a lot of businesses.  Ever been to a Chinatown in a city?  Lots of signs in Chinese.  SeaTac airport has signs in several Asian languages (I've yet to hear Alicrappers complain about that).

Yet they never complain of English signs in other countries: Mexico, Thailand, Japan, Nepal, India, Italy, Liberia...

Another commentor says he's sick of the assault on our culture and our language.  The fact is that American culture is influencing more cultures around the world than it's being influenced here.  A McDonalds in most countries.  I was in El Progreso Honduras after Hurricane Mitch.  I went back there last year, and they now have a BK, Pizza Hut and other fast food joints.  My friend met Dennis Quaid in a Popeyes in Honduras (a long story).  The Sinners is a Doo Wop band in Europe - Check it out: http://www.thesinners.de/ They're actually pretty good.

Plus our culture, like every culture currently on the planet, is not our culture but a mixture of many cultures.  People used to complain about black people influencing white culture, but imagine what the Stones  :035: :035: would be without the influence of Muddy Waters.  They'd be playing "You Are My Sunshine".  Where would we be without German beer?  Chinese food?  Chicken, beef, wheat, bananas are not native to our land.  The Jews brought us Christianity.  So many great things of our culture were brought to us by other cultures.  We'd be eating corn beef and cabbage if it weren't for those influences.  :019:

I've personally travelled to more than 20 countries, and my adult daughter has lived in three (besides the U.S.) including one country with a majority Muslim population (Malaysia). We've seen American culture and English everywhere and have not heard much complaining.

Japan is probably the most xenophobic and racist country, but even there you will find much American culture present, including McDonalds, KFC, Dunkin' Donuts, Dominos Pizza, etc. The Japanese even have a special term they use for Europeans and Americans, which translated means "hairy barbarian."

American culture is widespread in Honduras, and America is very popular. I would say Honduras is very pro-American. BTW, my brother-in-law and his family live in El Progresso, Honduras. He just made his first visit to the U.S., and plans to return in August with his wife for another visit. He imports U.S. goods for sale in Honduras.

You can tell these goobs have never been to a major metropolitan area.

Head to Los Angeles. South of Wilshire around Eighth Street, between Vermont and Western is Koreatown, with whole shopping malls with no English signs in evidence. Head up to the same area on Santa Monica Boulevard, you'll see signs in Egyptian and Armenian. Go to Glendale, the families are mostly Armenian.

Head off to Detroit - what used to be a heavily German part of town is now Arab.

Thing is, most of these fools making these complaints are Baby Boomers in the full bloom of decrepitude, whining about how things just ain't what they used to be.

Too bad. Time moves on, even if you didn't.

(Funny thing is, a lot of the Mexicans will be saying the same thing in about fifty years.)

" (Funny thing is, a lot of the Mexicans will be saying the same thing in about fifty years.)"


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My mom said the same thing!  After that it will be the Chinese all over again too.  :o

(http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~el6/presentations/Irish_Americans_S2_WS2003/foto/Image7.gif)

Here's another ALIPACer ranting that undocumented immigrants can do whatever they want in Memphis and the police let them get away with it and the schools don't require vaccinations
http://tinyurl.com/2qar98


Here's another one from the same poster:

I hope he isn't talking about my aunt and uncle up in Arkansas.  They work in a meat processing plant but they sure as hell are not "illegal aliens".  They're full fledge American citizens that happen to be and look Hispanic (even though my aunt thinks she's white  ::))

I know for a fact, well atleast here, that a school will not take in your child without the vaccination.  They'll allow them to start, but will continue to nag you for the vaccinations and will give you a timeline.  I say this because I've had experience on two occasions, one occasion fitting the scenario better than the other.  When my sister in law came over to the US illegally, she brought her son too.  I remember taking her to give her son his vaccinations in order for them to let him into school.  Her son already had his vaccinations in Mexico and she showed the school officials those, but they wouldn't take that and sent him to get his vaccinations again here in the US.

In my case, I'm very forgetful and I had lost my daughters vaccination when I enrolled her in school.  They took her in anyways, but they gave me a time line to go an get a copy from the doctors office.  I kept forgetting to do that and I was practically stalked everyday by the teacher who reminded me to bring in the records.  I think I took about 2 weeks after enrollment to finally get the papers to them.  :-[

The public school here in MN required a vaccination card for my step-daughter, and had no problem at all accepting one from Honduras. The schools are required by law to make sure vaccinations are done, to protect other children. The alicraper is shooting a line of crap and since it was about americans and legal immigration that makes her an alicraper! :D

Now here's an alicraper claiming the "illegals" have taken over the public parks. He also seems to have an amazing ability to identify illegal immigrants without checking their documents, apparently by noticing people listening to Spanish language music or speaking Spanish. I must not be as perceptive because I'm always seeing LEGAL immigrants and citizens speaking Spanish and listening to Spanish language music and I didn't think of them as illegal immigrants. Hmmm...

Here's how they do it...they're using pixel analysis of the photos! Now why didn't we think of this?
http://tinyurl.com/28musg

And another:

What a bunch of idiots.  ::)  According to their link, there are 72 fugitives.  Of those 72 fugitives, 57 of them are white.  Of those 57, 34 of them are American.  For the remaining 38 non-Americans, 5 are undocument immigrants, 3 are legal immigrants, and the remaining 30 make no mention as to whether they were in the country illegally or legally.  Of those who were in the country illegally, the dates of the crime are from 1994 to 2003.  Two of these people were husband and wife and were charged for the murder of one person.  In total, victims equal 3 for the 4 undocumented criminals in a span of 9 years. 

For those criminals who I catagorized as unknown, I did so because I noticed that usually it states whether the person is in the country illegally or not, but for all 30, there is no mention.  What is mentioned is that the majority of the 30 are Mexican nationals.  I'd say about 7 or 8 of the 30 are not Mexican, but either Chinese, Asian, Egyptian, etc.  Also, of the 30, about 8 people are involved in the same crime as another. 

I also noticed that alot of these crimes sound as if the FBI isn't really sure whether the person did the crime or not, but they just want to place the blame on someone.  Just an observation, as reading through some of these criminal descriptions it makes one wonder with some how they arrived at such conclusions.

But 57 whites are on the FBI's most wanted fugitive list!!

Critical thinking skills are not among the alicrappers better attributes. In fact most of them lack any critical thinking skills, and that's why they're so easily led by the opportunists in their leadership.

Another example: alicrapers complaining that high schools in Arizona and Texas offering Spanish classes to English speaking students is catering to illegal immigrants. Well excuse me, but aren't the English speaking students generally U.S. citizens? So what if they want to learn another language? I wish more Americans would learn other languages!
http://tinyurl.com/22n9cq

So that they can't claim they are being discriminated against later for not being bilingual (http://tinyurl.com/38d4fv). Even the ESL (English as a Second Language, the more heavily hit program by the xenos) complaints fall flat in a reality when children are brought legally into a school district. Students (like my legal stepchildren, also with the possibility of even being U.S. citizens if fully adopted by a U.S. citizen parent) have to be taught in their native tongue until they can be able progress with their peers in English.

Lucky for my school district it is as simple as Spanish (in a community of about half Hispanic). I've been in this district for about 38 years, property taxes for about eight years of that. Damn straight they had better be able to teach my kids.

The claim is all job requirements are met with the exception of being bilingual. If an employment requirement is knowledge of a second language then all requirements are not being met. They can curse all they want in English, but it holds up against the language discrimination claim.

The requirement to speak Spanish must be a reasonable one or the employer is risking a discrimination claim. In San Antonio I would think this would not be difficult to justify since there are probably many customers who prefer to talk in Spanish.

Brand X now thinks our tax dollars and Catholic church donations goes to pay coyotes to smuggle undocumented immigrants, paying their insurance premiums, etc. What planet are these people on?
http://tinyurl.com/2xmxdl

I'm noticing a trend here.  It seems as if a spoonful of ignorance is added to their xenophobia.  Some of those comments are ridiculous.

Here's a good one. A legal immigrant was wrongfully convicted and his conviction was overturned on appeal, only no one told him and he was deported as an alien felon though his conviction was thrown out. Now read what the alicrappers wrote about this LEGAL immigrant and his family.
Why should he get out when he was here legally to begin with, served time for a crime he didn't do, and was likewise deported when his conviction had already been overturned. This thread shows alicrappers are hateful of all immigrants, not just undocumented immigrants.

OK - why the hell isn't he ACLU all over that case?

I don't know what the worst part of it is, that he actually believes what he's saying, or that others will believe what he's saying.  ::)

Funny how all the welfare fraud cases I've heard of have all been coming from American citizens.  I don't think I've ever heard of an undocumented immigrant committing welfare fraud.  Also, the few cities that have actually taken things into their own hands to try and deny benefits to "illegal immigrants" have not only found out that they don't have any enrolled in their program, but also that they are affecting the American's enrolled in their program (mainly black and white Americans).

It's been said before and it can be said again that one does not see a homeless Hispanic like one see a homeless white American.  Hispanics will find a way to survive, even if it means making some shit up to do for you.  Hell, I once met a lady who was collecting plastic garbage bags and selling them for a nickle.  She also sold empty plastic bottles (you never know when those will come in handy!  :P).  However, the smartest class of immigrant I've met, no offense to anyone, is the Chinese and Phillipine (not sure if they're the same) immigrant.  They come with nothing and end up making big bucks in no time.  I know they help each other out too, as I had a really close friend who co-owned a famous Chinese restaurant up in Austin and she told me they do their best to help each other out, which is why she favored hiring Chinese employees.  "No other person is going to treat them like we do here" she said.  She said that asides from making them feel at home, they also help each other out with their English, and those that go to college get to work around with their schedule.  I must admit I felt a little jealous because I didn't belong to such a close knit group.  Ofcourse, then, I was struggling to come to terms with who I was.  I didn't know if I was black, white, or Hispanic.  ::) :-[ :P 

Well, there's a lot of once-lovely neighborhoods that have gone to seed, mostly due to age.

I hate to tell this old bat, but homes built in the thirties, forties, and fifties were mostly Sears Catalog homes, those prefab jobies that were never meant to last the duration. Even homes that were built to last had to contend with corrosive smog (that stuff her hubby didn't have to deal with back during those halcyon Father Knows Best years due to the Red Car line running through L.A.)

I hate to tell her, but Harlem was pretty swanky before the Real Estate bust of 1903...

Ten years ago Lake Street in Minneapolis had gone to seed, but in recent years a wave of Hispanic immigrants have revitalized the area. The truth is that immigration often rejuvenates inner city neighborhoods that otherwise would remain blighted.

More anti-Hispanic rants in a thread titled "Irving Texas - Over Ran with Illegals". The poster took an article from American Renaissance, a very racist site, and posted it on ALIPAC.US, including very racist comments. Compare the two:
http://tinyurl.com/2j6hm4 (ALIPAC.US)
http://tinyurl.com/3brn6x (American Renaissance)

Representative comments:

This alicrapper decides to shop based on who he perceives panders to Spanish speakers. Now he's complaining the store he prefers sends out bilingual ads!

Let them implode with their own hatred.  Soon they'll think everyone is "pandering" and maybe they'll do us all a favor and lock themselves up in a closet or something.  ::)

What irks me is when they whine Spanish is being forced on them with bilingual Betty Crocker cartons, etc. No one's forcing them to learn Spanish. ::)

If only they knew things are what you make them out to be.  If they want to believe Spanish is being forced on them, then maybe it is.  If they want to believe it isn't, then maybe it isn't.  It's what you make it out to be.  One thing I can tell you is that Spanish is very much a part of being American.  As an American, I don't know anything other than being bilingual English and Spanish and I speak both languages fluently.  I'm not an "anchor baby".  None of my parents nor my grandparents were immigrants from another country.  My grandmother lived in Mexico, but she was an American citizen, is as close to it as I get.  I never got to know her though, as she died before I was born.  I never even knew this until a few years back before my father died that I wanted to know about his life that I was told.  My father spoke English so well people thought he was white on the phone, not knowing he was black.  But he also spoke Spanish very well he sometimes ended up inventing words.  :P

What's weird though is that Spanish was a dominating language here just a few years back.  I should know as my grandmother and my uncles speak only Spanish.  My mother has like the thickest accent when she speaks English.  She had a hard time of it as people used to pick on her because she would say Shursh instead of Church.  I remember being there when she would get picked on that I made it a point not to say Shursh either so people wouldn't make fun of me also.  I thought I had it all down and all until I left our little bubble and left to Austin.  People immediately knew I was different because of my accent.  I didn't even know I had an accent. ???

Anyways, I'm off topic now, but I guess my point is that these idiots piss me off because they make it sound like Spanish is foreign to this country and I'm proof that it is not.  I'm as American as they are and I love being bilingual and I love seeing others accomodate Spanish into their business because it is a part of what makes this country strong.

Here's an example of how it is spreading

http://tinyurl.com/3xh35a

They should spend some time in Switzerland. School kids are required to learn three of the four official languages (French, German, and Italian) and a fourth, often English, Spanish, or Dutch.

In my business dealings in Switzerland, it was not unusual to meet Swiss executives who were fluent in 6-7 languages. Switzerland's ethnic groups have gotten along just fine for hundreds of years, and their diversity has helped them excel in international business, along with their philosophy of neutrality with a surprisingly strong military.

And this is where we step in.  Everytime we hear these stories, we need to get the contact to the person being affected and let them know that there are still American's who are good in this country.  Let them know that as Americans we will respect and defend HIS freedom of speech, because it is what a true American would do.  It doesn't matter if we get one person to write to them, or a whole lot, so long as it is done.  I did it with Pizza Patron.  I don't know who else did it with Pizza Patron, but it's a small way to tackle this degrading of America's values that these bigots seem to love so much.  I haven't checked the link yet, but if there's a contact number or anything, I'll post it up so that anyone that's interested in supporting this car dealer guy with good thoughts can do so.  It's also to remind him that some of these goobers like to lie and make up different aliases.   Wouldn't be surprised they are Alicrappers either. :roll:

Trouble is, this is a "Moderator" at Brand X...

Married to a Hispanic immigrant...

What are her "personal motivations"?...

Maybe the law *is* more worried about someone "motivated by racism" (skinheads, Nazis, KKK) than the illegal immigrant...

http://tinyurl.com/34szxh

Dig a little deeper and you will see Terry had issues with illegal immigration seemingly before the Monday he writes about. It's a very minor case (cursing in public) that you can expect to be paraded around for more than it is worth. Like myself, Terry is a veteran with an immigrant wife (Filipina in his case).

Sounds like all their other theories. ::)

This alicrapper claims his entire block is being invaded! Somehow he's able to detect the presence of illegal immigrants without reading anyone's immigration documents. ::)
And this alicrapper's home was invaded by illegal immigrants! He didn't reveal his technique for identifying legal status though...I guess the tried and true visual approach worked, along with language.

Alicrappers discussing internment camps.
http://tinyurl.com/2l3tfg

Most think the internment camps are for them, while this alicrapper thinks internment camps are a great idea for illegal immigrants. ::)

TW, I fixed the quote codes for you.  Sometimes I just get the itch to fix stuff.  Hope you don't mind?

I was reading that one too and I just think these people are crazy.  They were also discussing how they think racial profiling is OK.  As an example, they use the incident with some relative who was profiled based on how he looked.  According to their story, they boy went to buy beer or something and he was asked for ID.  They think that since that works, then it should work with race as well.  What they fail to understand is that even facial profiling is wrong.  If one must ID one person, they should ID everyone.  I've always looked older than what I am because of my height, and I must confess back in my wilder under age years I used to buy beer without getting IDed.  The same goes for racial profiling in order to catch undocumented immigrants.  Why would anyone go for a Mexican looking person who has little chance of being a terrorist, and let a white looking terrorist go by?  Everyone needs to be IDed.  Everyone needs to get checked, not just people who look a certain age or race.  I tell you, these Alicrappers consider themselves soo smart and the only thing they are looking for is to set America up for an easy target for terrorists.  ::)

Scientific studies show consistantly that racial profiling doesn't work.
http://www.lamberthconsulting.com/about-racial-profiling/racial-profiling-doesnt-work.asp

Here's an excellent explanation, including an example from the U.S. Customs Service in which behavioral rules were implemented, the number of searches dropped drastically but were equal according to race. The "hit rate" of successful contraband finds remained the same.

Mikey Mallikin wrote a book about it and was cited as a credible source by Madame Witchdoctor (Dobbs' leprosy expert.)

Well, from a reporter that interviewed him:

http://www.thestate.com/news/story/149979.html

Internet magnifies protest
Roofer takes his beef onto the street and into the blogosphere
By NOELLE PHILLIPS - nophillips@thestate.com

When the disgruntled roofer carrying a sign that read “Illegals!!! Quit Stealing Our Jobs!” was arrested in July, Larry McDaniel thought the crazy scene outside his Woodcreek Farms home had ended.

The roofer, though, started posting on the Internet photos and stories of his disorderly conduct arrest while picketing supposed illegal immigrants, who were working on McDaniel’s home. The home was being rebuilt after a June 2006 fire.

For a month, those words and pictures jumped from message boards to blogs to YouTube — even onto the Web site of white supremacist David Duke.

Unbeknownst to McDaniel, photos of his house, with its address visible, were spreading online as a spark in the emotional immigration debate...


...Then, CNN’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight” aired the roofer’s story on Aug. 10 in a segment about illegal workers.

The program was repeated three times over the weekend. Friends saw it. So did neighbors in the upscale Columbia subdivision, where USC head football coach Steve Spurrier also lives.

CNN gave the story credibility that the blogs and message boards couldn’t...


...Postings on blogs and message boards are not always accurate or fair, but information can spread faster than a wildfire through a drought-stricken forest, especially when the topic is one as controversial as immigration.

Funderburk accuses McDaniel of hiring a team of illegal immigrants to install a copper roof because they would accept lower wages.

It’s unknown whether those workers are legally permitted to work in the United States.

But Funderburk’s posts have made him a minor celebrity on anti-immigration Web sites.

A Google search of “Terry Funderburk” and “illegal” turns up 11,000 hits...


...Yet Funderburk, who complains about undocumented workers, does not have the proper legal documentation to work on homes.

He does not have an S.C. contractor’s license or a Columbia city business license, authorities said.

And even his claim to national fame is under scrutiny. CNN said it’s investigating complaints about the report...


...However, Funderburk does not have a contractor’s license with the S.C. Department of Labor, Licensing and Regulation, spokesman Jim Knight said.

The state agency had a record of Funderburk doing business as Classic Copper, but that license expired in June 2001, Knight said.

Funderburk said he doesn’t need a license to do copper roofing.

But state law says anyone who does roof work valued at more than $200 must have an S.C. license, Knight said.

Also, Custom Copper is not licensed to do business in the city of Columbia, according to the city’s business licensing department...


...“There are people in this world who have lost jobs to illegal immigrants, but not this guy,” McDaniel said. “He lost a job because of a low bid and low quality.”...


...Funderburk unnecessarily has dragged people into the limelight of the heated immigration debate, Fletcher said.

“He made a racist, snap judgment about people doing work,” he said. “He decided to be a vigilante and take things into his own hands.”...


...Larry and Mary McDaniel said they have been afraid for their safety since their home address has been publicized on thousands of Web sites.

“There’s all these racist, angry people out there he’s blogging with,” Larry McDaniel said. “They know where the house is. Why should we live in fear when we’ve done nothing wrong?”

Fletcher, the developer’s husband, said M and H’s reputation has been sullied because everyone in Woodcreek Farms knows they are building the house. M and H Development hires reputable contractors, Fletcher said.

“The perception he’s put out there is we’re a bunch of cheap guys who hire illegal aliens to do a cheap job,” he said.

But Funderburk insists he was making a stand for himself and other small business owners who are suffering because of illegal immigration...


...The McDaniel and Fletcher families said that they understand Funderburk’s concern over illegal immigration, but that he chose the wrong way to handle it.

“I understand his cause, but his tactics are overboard to get publicity,” Mary McDaniel said. “There are so many people who are so zealous that they’re not willing to look at the situation.

“The hate that is coming out this is cancerous.”

Here's another alicrapper that claims he can tell someone is an illegal immigrant just by looking at them!
And I thought illegal immigrants can't get drivers licenses, vehicle registration, and auto insurance...

Going to a donut shop how does the xeno know that it isn't an undercover cop (especially since he was interested to what the xeno and son were doing)?...

Sorry, in the land of stereotypes I realize the obvious is sometimes not so obvious...

well, if dipstick wouldn't dress in a tutu first thing in the morning, he wouldn't get gawked at.

Wearing a tutu with your kid on board... well, .... ::)

Alicrappers take on Nasonex! They can't stand the accent in the commercial. ::)
Now is this classic sympthoms of xenophobia or isn't it?
And a methaphor...
Antonio Banderas? :o
And this one can't stand accents. Jeez, what does that have to do with illegal immigration? Don't legal immigrants and naturalized citizens have accents too?
Nasonex bee to speak in Spanish next?

Uhhh, he (and the other portions of the voice-overs too, of course)does already speak in Spanish (no English subtitles though; they are in Spanish if you have Closed Captioning turned on) in the Spanish version of the commercials...

http://tinyurl.com/2w2l3z

This guy is called a "hero".  He goes into Home Depot at the self check-out.  Man, I hate getting stuck behind a moron at the self check-out.  They should require a certified IQ test score above 50 before allowing a customer to use one of them.  Ok this Mensa group member is trying to use the self check-out and hits the "Spanish" button.  The genius can't understand it.  Why is the audio even necessary?  You scan your items; you scan your credit card; you move on.  It's not that difficult.  So Einstein gets so frustrated that he destroys the machine.

This vandal, this criminal, is called a hero.  It is lamented that he didn't destroy the other machines.  One guy says that he intends to go to his local Home Depot and do the same [I'm sure he didn't (there are a lot of big talkers at alicrap but few doers)]

Our local Wal-Mart has started the self-checkout thing with about five of the units installed. I prefer it myself; no attitude from the zit wrangler, no waiting on price checks.... really sweet.

You're right, SG: to screw up that badly, you really have to work at it. All you have to do is scan the first item, and it automatically starts the process IN ENGLISH! And if you screw something up, a red light flashes and an attendant will fix it for you!

And they wonder why I call them the Marginally Functional - they can't find their own asses with two hands and a Tour Guide.

I was going to post the rant topic on the MCDC forum against Sears, but strangely enough a moderator must have nabbed it ("Topic does not exist"). It was a forum member calling Sears, and when they tried to continue through the automated system it supposably went into Spanish. Of course the caller held until they were able to get a person to answer, then asked to complain to a supervisor (my enjoyment was from the supervisor stepping back into the caller, and saying that they were wrapped up a little tight).

Yes, strange that a moderator killed it because it was just like all the other Spanish language rants that are allowed to stay up...

With the areas that the Minuteklan go on "patriot patrols" I am waiting for one to be poisoned by a Gila Monster. For those of you that don't know, the Gila Monster moves very slow, and has its poison in the lower teeth, so it has to turn its head upside-down to let the poison drip into the wound. To be killed by a Gila Monster, you have to want to be killed by a Gila Monster (there are no reported human deaths thus far).

Years ago my grandmother commented that people didn't follow road signs anymore...

My response was that they don't even observe arrows in the parking lots...

Oh, don't get me started on that.

We have idiots down here who think it's their God-Given-Right to cut across the parking lot, usually at 40mph. I was almost clocked by some bimbo doing that, and then she gives me a look like I did something wrong!

Or, heading into Wal-Mart, chances are excellent you'll find yourself going down an aisle blocked by two jerks who're best friends, go to church together, work together, and go out twice a week with both families - carts in the middle of the freaking aisle, blocking any manner of getting through!

And 9 times out of 10, they're bitchin' about a bunch of people speaking Spanish in Aisle 7...

Hell, our Wal-Mart has about 5 of those self-check out thingy's.  I don't know why in the world they installed them.  Since they put them there a year or two ago they things have been out of order.  Funny, but they were never used.  Pisses me off cause they usually only have like 3 lanes open with like 20 people per lane.  I guess my Wal-Mart is just lazy.

But breaking the machine, is still vandalism.  I really doubt he did it or he'd be sitting behind bars right now.  These guys should write a movie or something because they sure have a bunch of active imaginations.  It must be their advanced old age.  Oh well, what do you expect from old trash - alot of rattling but of no use.  :P

My Walmart had them for about a year and then got rid of them.  I asked why they got rid of them, and they told me that they received a lot of complaints.

I figure, if you don't them, then go to the staffed check-out.  Right?

PEOPLE!

Latino Festival Not American
http://tinyurl.com/2lvv72
With respect to a Latino Festival, participant Sappy (third post down) says
the following:

"I may be way out on this one, but it should be illegal to practice anything
but American holidays and celebrations. Why do we have to celebrate latino
or any other country's annual celebrations? England doesn't celebrate our
Thanksgiving or the 4th of July, we all know the middle east doesn't
celebrate Hannakuh, (sorry for the spelling) and quite frankly, I'm really
tired of hearing about all these other stupid non-US holidays being
celebrated here.

Go practice your former country's holidays in your own country!"

Millions of Latinos are Americans.  In fact, Americans are comprised of more
than a few groups.  Black folks celebrate the end of slavery and various
civil rights milestones.  Some Native Americans celebrate Thanksgiving in a
unique way.  Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter.  Jewish folks
celebrate the Sabbath, Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah along with other
observations [By the way, millions of people in the Middle East celebrate
Hanukah].  A small town about 25 miles from where I live started having an
Asian festival a couple of years ago.  The parking lot filled so fast that
cars were lining up on the side of the main road.  Some people had to walk a
mile to get there.

Latino festivals are usually a good time.  [By the way, a Latino festival is
not a celebration of a holiday of another country although sometimes people
celebrate 16 de septeimbre, but a Latino festival in August is not a foreign
holiday celebration.]  I've been to Latino festivals big and small. 
Restaurants usually set up a booth where one can check out the tastes and
smells of places you may have been considering going to.  There are a lot of
musicians.  Sometimes there will be a main stage where performers can strut
their stuff.  Businesses and individuals will be there selling hand made
items.  Brown-eyed girls will be everywhere.  Paradise!

And it's all American.  There are millions of Latinos in this country.  Like
the Europeans, Africans and Asians, they are part of making this country the
great place that it is.

This guy wants to ruin America as we know it!  If he were to ever have his way that would leave us with the following holidays:

Birthday of Martin Luther King
Inauguration Day
Washington's Birthday
United States of America's Independence Day
Veterans Day
Groundhog Day
Lincoln's Birthday
Washington's Birthday
Columbus Day

Say good bye to all the best holidays celebrated around the world.  Yes, even Thanksgiving is celebrated by Canada, which makes it unAmerican according to Sappy.  Thanks alot!  I look forward to my American Columbus Day festival.  Yipee.  What a dumbass!  ::)

I like Chinese New Year myself, especially at the Chinese Buffet. I get to yell "Gung Hey Fat-Choi!" and the girls there get all smiley.

(Well, that and a nice tip goes a long way...)

I guess this idiot objects to St. Patrick's Day as well. Oh wait, that's not a Latino foreign holiday...

And wouldn't Columbus day not count either, considering Columbus wasn't even American?

I went to a Chinese New Year celebration in ChinaTown one year to see the parade.  It was awesome.  Great colors, great designs, culture, and plenty of brown-eyed girls too. :P

http://tinyurl.com/35eb3q

This guy considers Football to be unAmerican because some commercials were in Spanish.  Evidently the Spanish language is "unAmerican" now.

Apparently, they came up with moderate, rational solutions to the perceived threat: boycott NBC, boycott the NFL, etc.

  Mongo

An amusing aside to this is remembering an Alicrapper post where Desi Arnaz (equally amusing for being referred to by his screen name of 'Ricky Ricardo') was revered for "doing things the right way"...

Being that annoyed at a bee with a Spanish accent is how far they've come.  Notice how it's only a Spanish accent that they don't like.  They don't complain about an Italian accent:

i5JcWAsWHhM

Um yes it is. English is the American language, duh.

now whose the racist?

It isn't racist to appreciate various different cultures

And the proper word would have been "who's", not "whose". 

Amazing, isn't it?

Those who scream "SPEAK ENGLISH!" loudest have no command of the language.

Unfortunately it's just another hit and run.  They come here.  They post some insults.  Then they run back to daddy.  Never are they interested in a discussion of the issues.

http://tinyurl.com/379kwq

http://tinyurl.com/yud5p7
Here we have someone who is convinced that a landscaping company hires illegal aliens. She basis this on nothing other than that they appear to be Hispanic men. 

http://tinyurl.com/yojzyz
This guy is upset that a Campbell’s Soup commercial jingle is partially in Spanish.

I know we already have dozens of these types of examples, but scroll down a little, and one commenter no longer supports breast cancer research because of a t-shirt in Spanish.

Breast Cancer

The guy is not going to support breast cancer research just because the Spanish language was on a t-shirt supporting breast cancer research.

You knew it was coming.

http://tinyurl.com/32766p

California wildfires blamed on illegal aliens.

Like it doesn't happen every year in Southern California.

Actually, it sounds like God is punishing Orange County, the Land of Milk and Mickey.

Undocumented people did not cause the fire, but:

-their labor and contribution to the economy will be needed (and most certainly used) for reconstruction
-the National Guard units detached to militarize the border now will have to be put to better use
-single-issue elected officials such as Brian Bilbray now have the opportunity to demonstrate some leadership on subjects other than immigrant-bashing.

A pity if only a disgrace like this can set people's priorities in order.

Agreed.

Willy's critical lack of apostrophe, like most of the other MF, had me almost swallow my gum seeing the words "...one of my moms..."...

"Coming to America" is also featured in the 20-year old "Born in East L.A."...

Instead of having his voice change to be like Neil's, I think he had to have watched more "Foghorn Leghorn" cartoons during that same critical period of time...

I see Alicrap is doing the boycott Mexico thing ..again. Guess they will all be walking everywhere, but it seems that their biggest concern is beer!   ::)

Welcome, genie!

Yes, they have a beer fixation which borders on the maniacal.

Thing is, they think they're boycott of Bank of America succeeded. The fact that most lending institutions are lagging on Wall Street is purely coincidental: that Joe Six-Pack paid off his $2,000.00 Visa card and pulled his checking account is what's causing BAC to lose points.

And, thinking about it? I'm glad they think that.

This way, when their next big campaign goes down in a magnificent wave of Ty-D-Bowl, laughing at them will be that much sweeter.

They're all fired up about boycotting Corona.  But think about it.  Wouldn't they wish for a prosperous Mexican economy?  Then Mexican people would theoretically be able to get better paying jobs thereby encouraging less to come to the USA.  Isn't that what they want?

Their boycott hasn't had much impact on Miller Beer because they aren't beer drinkers...alicrappers prefer moonshine. :o

No... Metamucil. In a Magnum.

Looks like you guys missed the Halloween thread. Flat out racism at it's worst, Gheen had to tell them all to Shut Up  because it got so bad. I saved all the images from it onto my external hard drive. Will upload some quotes including Gheen yelling at them later.  Search for it on their site and see if it's still up, Gheen might have taken it down.  When the guy who admitted to going on a neo nazi show calls you a racists. it's bad.

Yes, thanks for pointing that out to us. The thread still exists:
http://tinyurl.com/2owyag
Here's a quote from Texas Gal, who always claims not to have anything against Hispanics. ::)

And here's William Gheen admitting there are anti-Hispanic posters at ALIPAC.US:

And here's another typical alicrapper, blaming all the evils of Halloween on Hispanics who come from out of town by the truckload. It's interesting that she chose a photo of Lou Dobbs for her Avatar. See what watching Lou Dobbs daily does to a person? She was probably perfectly normal before watching Lou Dobbs every night. ::)

The Halloween thread, that's good quality stuff.

But we don't post every offensive thread here.  We can't.  If we tried, we'd be doing nothing else.  There is offensive stuff on there everyday.  So many of them are beyond anti-illegal immigration, beyond just anti-immigration, some even hate cartoon characters who are Hispanic.  There was a cartoon bee in a commercial that had an accent.  Some people got mad about that.

So don't think that this thread is a comprehensive list.  We just occasionally post some highlights here if we have the time.

Nobody climbs on your roof and stomps around for no reason.

Biotch probably gave out granola bars or some other shit.

This Halloween has a lot of the essential elements of the ALICRAP forum.
1) Singling out Hispanics to criticize for behavior that all races engage in: I did the same thing.  But I didn’t go to a rich neighborhood.  They didn’t give out any better candy than the middle class, and the houses were further apart.  The best way to increase your take is to go to a middle class town home community.  It takes you ten seconds to get to the next door.

2) Exaggeration: the kids knocked off the side view mirrors and jumped on her roof [she wasn’t specific as to whether it was the roof of her trailer home or her pick-up].

3) No one questions the obviously exaggerated account

4) Projecting the behavior of the few onto the entire group: someone else mentioned Hispanics in San Diego doing the same thing that Hispanics in Texas were doing.  It’s an attempt to get the reader to conclude that all Hispanics are evil.  This tactic is very effective on low foreheaded knuckle draggers.

5) Never a Pat On the Back for Good Behavior: They should be happy that these people are adopting some of American culture, but you won’t find references to this when they complain about immigrants not assimilating.  Did anyone catch the latest Lowe’s thread?  Lowe’s is offering to businesses a program to teach English to their employees.  But instead of approval, some called for another boycott.

But it’s strangely missing one element that is almost always present: the assumption that they are illegal aliens.  In the Halloween thread, the people are referred to as Hispanics.  This is different than most ALICRAP threads where they use the term “illegal” or “invader” [How can you tell that they’re illegal?  “O I can just tell.”].  This is probably why Gheen tried to stop it. 

But Willy is wily, and only a couple threads that start Hispanic-bashing get his, or a "moderator's" (often the worst of the bunch), attention. Notice a quick flip after a complaint (not defining funding differences between public schools and higher education, as is the hot-point in NC right now) go to alleging that her child is failing English class because more funding is earmarked for "educating Hispanics" (http://tinyurl.com/243lsr):



If half the public school student population is Hispanic (a ethnic definition, not of immigration status), then half of the property tax funding for the public schools should go towards educating them. If the property tax funding is not enough for the schools (and no one is arguing that the policy is *equally* denying Hispanic students on their education as much as the Alicrapper's child) then it should be increased. Truly at 50%, with the ethnic composition of public schools these days, it even means the Hispanic students are a *majority* in the district.

They also bring up representations twenty and thirty years in the past of why policies *were* changed to mandate that *all* children in school school be taught by whatever means necessary, not put in some corner and forgotten about...

Whenever I hear a stink about educating "anchor baby" U.S. citizens I think that in my family's (all on valid, legal visas) case, our three children are *Mexican* citizens, attending public schools in our U.S. school district because I have been paying property taxes here for years...

Her idiot kid is failing, and it's the fault of illegal immigrants.  That's rich!

Ok - I've got one: http://tinyurl.com/29kgfn

This incompetent person starts a toys-for-tots drive.  Hardworking people go out and buy toys with their hard earned money and give the toys to an Alicrapper thinking that the toy would be given to a needy child.  Due to mismanagement, incompetence and apathy, the Alicrapper only gives away a quarter of the toys and then just dumped the rest at a Catholic church up the street.

Failing *English class*, probably because all of the "illegals" are speaking Spanish around her...

Did you catch the thread on having an immigrant boss?

 When an immigrant succeeds, they become upset and think it was stolen from them.  The people upset about immigrant doctors or bosses need to start accepting some self responsibility and get in touch with reality.

Anyone see Mrs. Left posting there?
 When you see sane and rational thoughts right next to their posts, it makes you realize how nuts these people truly are.   

I now have, and I really like her style...

More to come with a few snips to show something I am keying in on...

When I have a little bit of time...

I have a question. There is  a "legal" immigrant claiming to have been here 11 years but still has not gotten his LPR. He claims to have never over-stayed his visa. How is that possible. I thought the longest anyone could be here for 10years without getting LPR, 4 years under a student visa, and 6 years under H1-b. I can't add up the math any other way.




This guy was bashing Kennedy and McCain and they clearly would have qualified for the bills these senators support but are too stupid to read the legislation or ask a lawyer about it. There is a woman on there who has a son that would have befitted from the immigration reform. The idiot was opposed to it. Same with "ginger snaps" and the DREAM Act. Why are people so stupid >:(   

Actually it is easier than that. "Legal" *immigrant* is strictly an LPR. If not an LPR, otherwise a valid visa, the category will be "non-immigrant". And if successive non-immigrant visas (and there is at least the K-3 "non-immigrant" visa that legally can be renewed to stay longterm in the U.S. without adjusting status) are being used only to work the system to stay in the U.S., hello, I've got USCIS on the phone...

They want to talk to him about his misuse of visas for "immigrant intent"...

Some boys in black will be over directly...

Yes, he can then be a "legal" immigrant in his own mind while he serves time in a U.S. prison...


Because it avoids the solution of legalizing the "illegals" - Presto! No more illegals, they're now on legal work or student visas...

"My LEGAL brazillian friend........."

I've never seen her post without first writing these 4 words. That's one busy "friend" she has.

lol. This is just like when people first claim to have black friends before saying something racist. 

Which bring up the question - what's an "Illegal Brazillian?"

Does it have something to do with wax and tan lines?

A little bit off topic but if you are bored and want to prove some idiots wrong check out this forum http://www.city-data.com/forum/immigration/. They have a lot of alipacers on there but the mods don't ban you if you don't agree with them and prove them wrong. I have been having loads of fun over there. ;D

Something like an "illegal hispanic" (http://tinyurl.com/yobzzl), only assumably speaking Portuguese instead of Spanish...

It's a huge bra that's illegal to wear.  Big breasts are considered weapons of mass destruction.   ;D

http://tinyurl.com/2vhooy

I know.  I know.  We've seen it probably 100 times at Alicrap when someone sees Hispanic people and just assumes that they're lawbreakers.  But this is different, and I think we all might learn something from this.

You know how whenever you ask how someone can tell someone's legal status just by their appearance you either get a song and dance or you get insulted with language that would make a sailor blush but you never get a direct answer?  This person provides some insight into how she determines that the men are illegal just by appearance alone.


This person claims that visas are not given out for painters and that, therefore, the workers must be illegal.  This person obviously doesn't know of the many many venues for legal entrance and the many opportunities to adjust legal status provided to illegal immigrants over the years.  No one corrects her so I'm suggesting that a lot of Alipackers suffer from lack of knowledge of immigration laws.

Thoughts?

Hundreds of times? More like thousands of times. Anti-Hispanic rhetoric isn't even being masked or removed at Brand X now (witness a recent comment on a quarter of educational aid in California going to Hispanics).

I had seen this thread come up and was watching it too. Throughly predictable in its evolution, like many of the other threads at Brand X. Soon there will be someone stating that they know for a fact that these "illegal painters" are collecting all kinds of Social Security benefits.  ::)

I can't recall if it was on that thread or not where they were applauding and encouraging people to impersonate ICE. Isn't impersonating a federal official a felony? 

What happened to the rule of law?

http://tinyurl.com/2ehtun

This is Gheen himself lamenting the decline of the "white" population as other groups are expanding.

I saw another Alicrapper saying today that "the White race is finished!". Even a couple complaints about interracial or "mixed" race parents. Read between the lines to see the closet racism.

[EDIT: Reality cleared up the very post I was talking about, for the correction of "losing the White race". Thanks]

And they wonder why they're considered a hate group

Is that what patriotism is?

 :083:

No, it's Nationalism bordering on Fascism. The "National Defense" opinion quoted here is so low-ball it doesn't even deserve a response. I really thought of the Blazing Saddle's "Hey, where the white women at?" while reading it.

True patriots would support and defend the Constitution rather than trying to change it. These Isolationists have such outdated and uneducated ideas (thinking that all servicemembers are still all male for one, and that they need to be provided breeding stock females upon a return from deployment) that come in a far cry from reality. Well, I'm glad I can quickly dismiss someone not using good punctuation in their arguments, as well as constantly misspelling words like "boarders".

No doubt...whomever wrote that piece is in a sad state of mind and should seek some counseling, for their paranoia has overtaken their sense of reality.

Or at least try to get a GED. I haven't seen writing that bad since I volunteered to help out a 4th Grade teacher.

(I actually wanted to help her out of her clothes, and that was my only option.)

Have y'all seen the thread about Calderon's visit to Chicago on Feb. 14 where Cayla suggests he should be assasinated?

(http://www.IBMMuseum.com/LUSCxeno.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/2j69f8

IBMMuseum, I saw that thread. Everyone including the moderators bashing legal immigrants from Asia and spreading hateful lies about them. Support Legal Immigration my ass.


Gee I wonder what it said.  ::) Still not banned even though clearly advocating violence.

Just a hunch it wasn't "Hug" or "Welcome" (BTW, the post is at http://tinyurl.com/2kzgx3). And one has to read between the lines that "Invader" is not a term that Alicrappers use for anyone other than Latinos. The distinction is not even made here for what happens when an "Invader" Latino immigrates legally.

Even more amazing is that the Brand X "Administrators" (official title, because "Moderator" implies moderation, not someone that further spurs on a bad notions) can *remove* a post's contents entirely, which makes you wonder when you don't see an example like this removed:

"(MOD EDIT) Invaders, we should (MOD EDIT) with a (MOD EDIT) every single one of them. I hate the (MOD EDIT) that much. Thier culture is dirty and corupt to the core, and they dont now any different then to rape and thief Americans. Thier raise from birth too hate us an take all of our welfare."

And yet, the English language eludes them...

http://tinyurl.com/258bej
 Illegal immigration causes homelessness in the US.  What's next?  Immigration causes static cling?

Like this one ("ANGRY WHITE MAN"), edited by Dixie:

(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/DixieEdit.jpg)

It surprised me when the same Alicrapper posted being dressed down in replying to North County (California) Times newspaper articles online:

http://tinyurl.com/2fucdj

"Your latest post poses the question as to why you're posts are not getting approved. I can't account for every post you've written lately, but here's a few situations we've been running into on the blog.

We believe as a newspaper we have to protect the rights of the people we write stories about. Even if they are arrested or suspects in a crime they are not guilty. Some bloggers write posts that essentially convict people before they've even seen a judge. We have no right to convict people of crimes and we will not allow bloggers to.

You've written blogs regarding the man who is SUSPECTED of DUI and ALLEGEDLY had his daughter in the car. If you know for certain that he is an illegal alien feel free to call the reporter (whose number is at the end of the story) and let them know how you know this is true. I'm not at liberty to add information to the stories. Reporters and Editors do. If you feel that we should print whenever a suspect in a crime is an illegal alien, you should either write a letter to the editor or speak to an editor. The reporter who wrote the story can let you know who their editor is. I have no authority to make such a decision.

We've had a trend lately that anytime someone with a Latino last name is arrested multiple bloggers say the suspect is an illegal immigrant. Every time a car crashes, a store gets robbed, graffiti shows up somewhere or there's a random fight, bloggers say they're illegal immigrants. We have no idea if it's true and those blogs are deleted.
I think you're smart enough to know why you're posts are deleted. You're objections need to be directed to someone higher up."

I've been keeping an eye to "joazinha" by far shes one of the most idiotic members of Brand X ive seen in a while .( of course willy has the numero 1 spot)

 http://tiny.cc/yZ6L9

Her friend got fired from an university because she refused to admit financial aid applications from suspected "illegal aliens". If im not mistaken anyone in Texas can get state financial aid if they have lived for a period of time in the state,  AND THATS THE LAWWWWWWW!!!!!


Law-abiding legal resident?  well shes breaking the LAWWWWWW, by not letting this people get financial aid.

See, Texas has the right idea.

Despite what the Mayonnaise Militia think, the undocumented do pay taxes, especially state and local taxes. The only thing not taxed is air, and that's just because they haven't figured out how to regulate it - yet.

Now, the reason behind in-state tuition is simple: folks living in that state for a number of years have contributed (via taxes) to the state education system. They deserve a break because they not only lived for x number of years in that state, but also have every indication of staying in that state and contributing to the tax base.

The higher out-of-state rates are for those carpetbaggers who come in for a couple of years, grab a sheepskin, and vamoose.

So it makes perfect sense that Texas would allow anyone who lived in the state the chance to go to its colleges and universities.

It just goes to prove once again these shrill harpies are not in the slightest interested in the "rule of law," they just want to keep Mexican kids out of "their" schools.

Bravo, University, for tossing that old bag out like ripe garbage!

A thread at Brand X about a U.S. soldier that accidently drove across the border in Juarez with weapons and ammo in the car (http://tinyurl.com/5mt84c):



At least Mexicans can spell "thief", "thieves", and "lying" correctly in their native tongue...


Willy comes in at the end, with words of wisdom that more guns are better (but doesn't defend those "law abiding" Mexican citizens that Alicrappers are calling liars, thieves, cowards, child rapists, murderers, and more on the thread):

This is going to be a favorite laugh for me for some time: http://tinyurl.com/3s4yft

An Alicrapper is counting the number of channels in Spanish on satellite TV reception for something in orbit over the North American continent...

It is so blantenly obvious that since there are not separate (commercial) satellites that would carry the Spanish content that the governments of Latin American countries must have their hand in it: "This is the invasion in full force. They are in colonization mode."

Dios...
Esa gente vive porque el aire es gratis ...

Git-irrr-dun

Take away the incentive to sell drugs, the cartels implode.

Take drugs off the street: legalize them.

He's right...there are 40 to 50 million of his "illegals" but to the rest of us there are 45 million Hispanics of which over 80% are here legally. Note how he can detect legal status just by looking and without seeing immigration documentation? Typical alicrapper!

http://tinyurl.com/6fqgkl

Now this alicrapper is even more explicit, referring to hispanic day workers as illegals!



This alicrapper has some amazing statistics. Wonder where this one came from?

I thought even the U.S. born children of illegal immigrants are citizens?

Disgusting? U.S. citizen children of Hispanic descent are disgusting?

By their count they see thousands when only a handful of their supporters show up. It's just extrapolation from there to see "millions" of the undocumented in towns not even having 250K in an official census. Sorry, they talk about counting, I visualize fingers.

Hey peeps, I am new here.
Love this thread, I was inspired to go look at our friendly xenophobic neighbors and wrote this
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/41320-alipac-stands-for-anti-latino-immigration
to which the Great William Gheen replied, naming himself as "your daddy." ::)

Anyway, keep up the good job. 

I've noticed that they've been criticizing you behind your back.  That's par for the course.  Don't expect Gheen or any of them to engage in a give and take discussion of the issues with you.  They'll post some wacky comments and then go back to the Alicrap forums to boast about how they insulted you.

We've put together some examples of the hate that is so common on the ALICRAP forums.  We could keep going on and on and on with new examples every day, but we've kind of already made our point.  I don't care how many pictures Gheen has with himself and Ted Hayes.  I don't care how many of them claim to have Hispanic girlfriends.  I don't care how many Hispanic members Alicrap claims to have.  Many of them just plain hate Hispanic people, and it's offensive.

But this website is not just about Gheen.

But what we're trying to do here is share positive things not just about Hispanic people but positive things about the relationship between Hispanic immigrants and Americans.  We share stories about outstanding immigrant students; ESL programs; outstanding Hispanic leaders and journalists; Gibson USA (the guitar manufacturer) has ties with tree farmers in Honduras not just to provide wood for the greatest guitars in the world but also to enhance sustainable development in Central America; etc. etc. etc.

In this country there are older ladies, young men, black preachers, students, Catholic priests, and other Americans of all sizes, shapes and colors that appreciate immigrants both legal and illegal.  There are a lot of positive things to share.

Thanks DREAM, and welcome to the forum.

Gheen's response is par for the course: he's a legend in his own mind.

But here's the deal: if this kind of filth is allowed (yes, allowed: they've shown time and again they have enough people moderating that board to edit out the most extreme postings) - if this kind of filth is allowed on their public boards, what kind of a sewer is running in their "private" forums?

You might also want to check out the .pdf collection we have from Brand X and others in the Documentation section of this website and the Documentation area on galleons.org (http://www.galleons.org/Joomla).

http://tinyurl.com/5j8qd7

This is a thread that has been cleaned up.  It was originally in the General Discussion area but was moved to the Other Topics area.  In addition some of the more offensive comments were deleted like the one where someone said that Hispanics are going to ruin our country or something like that.  But it still contains enough hate towards Hispanics to make Gheen proud.  Basically, several Alicrappers share their distaste for the Spanish language being used in cartoons.  They feel that the language is being "pushed on us".

One guy writes, "SPANISH, The Language of slaves and a conquered people."

A few months ago we had a tamal throw down at our place.  We wanted to learn how to cook tamales so we invited people to come and cook.  A few English speaking people were there, but mostly I got to hear the Spanish language all day.  One guy gave a piece of tortilla to my dog and then declared that he must be Mexican because he likes tortillas.  Another guy showed up in a huge pick-up truck with artificial bull testicles dangling from the back bumper.  One guy came early, shucked all the corn, and then when it was all over he stayed until every single dish was washed.  This Italian guy was there, and my dog would just not stop humping his leg.  Blue is not a leg humper, but for some reason he just would not leave that Jim alone.  Thinking about days like that I just can't understand why some people hate the Spanish language so much.

Those people need to get a life. Seriously.

Out of - what, thirty? Television shows for kids on TV, they have kittens over six.

Dora the Explorer is a little brown chick. Of Course she speaks Spanish.

Go Diego Go - what did they expect Diego to speak?

Sesame Street has had a Spanish language version since they started back in the 60s. It was natural, since Sesame Street was a take on the old New York neighborhoods, and many of them were primarily Puerto Rican.

I haven't kept up with the rest, since my kids are way too old to be watching that stuff.

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Sounds like you had fun making tamales! That's another reason why these dried-up old hags hate all things Spanish and Mexican - when was the last time you heard of a bunch of people gathering to make TV dinners?

Oh, no.
Our Sesame Street cell has been exposed ... again!
Recalling agent Big Bird ...

I'll bet it was that little shit Elmo.

Never trust a dust mop with eyeballs.

You mean Big Bird and Elmo are reconquistas? Oh no, they were my favorites! :o

I guess no more Sesame Street for Bob Jr. and Elizabeth. :(

This joke is sickening... >:( >:(




Now if you'll excuse me I need to take an extra shower after browsing ALIPAC.US.

That's just pathetic.

Somehow I expected better from "MW."

I guess she's had a change of heart...

The thread's not there anymore. I guess just posting it here resulted in a moderator taking it down. It's no secret that alicrappers visit our site. If publishing their antics here results in alicrappers cleaning up their act, then that's a good thing.

Now if we can just get them to follow the 'rule of law' when it's inconvenient for them...

I love to see the political discussions at Brand X - Trying to put spin on their definitions of the candidates:

http://tinyurl.com/5vmb3m


He continues to then give the "1907" Theodore Roosevelt quote that they often do. In this case, Obama calling himself "African-American" is exactly true for himself, but it is also used as a label by others with no ties to Africa. I've seen nothing of Obama forwarding any notion of putting Africa first.

When Richard talks about the Teddy Roosevelt quote "wmarincic" then provides his own ancestor story:


The interesting aside? Teddy Roosevelt is misquoted for the date (not in 1907, but before his death in January 1919), right before Gramps came from Germany. His displeasure is also focused on those German immigrants still speaking German and flying that nation's flag.


So the beliefs of Blacks and Whites are at odds with each other? Why can't Obama be his own person, and take his own path in this black and white definition? I wonder how Alicrappers don't get more heat for making statements like this one.

Then we have:


These idiots are pathetic!...

They really have a dilemma this year, don't they?

Either vote for a black man (HEAVEN FORBID!) or a white guy whom they despise as OBL.

What's a paultard to do?

God help the bastards if they had the opportunity to see the television here in Mexico.

The cartoons I grew up with. Yogi Bear and Boo Boo. All the Hanna Barbera classics remastered in Spanish.

Nick at Night in Spanish. The Munsters. Addams Familia, and imagine Andy Taylor and Barney Fife going about the sheriffing business in Mayberry Carolina del Norte speaking Spanish! Think that would blow their fuse?

Hell guys! We have Fox Network down here and FX. And get what? After 10 pm, sometimes during the week and always on the weekends, we get  :o Titties! And naked women without censorship! The Man Show! E!  Wouldn't that blow their staid little moralistic minds?

And you know? We don't have the sex crimes here. The violence against women (not withstanding the stupidness of the machismo of some of these mensos aqui) We don't have rampant crimes against children nor do we have idiots going on campus with guns and killing people at random.

Seems to me, Mexico is doing something that the US should take heed of. Or maybe it is the morals and upbringing of the people here which reflects on generations past.

Who can say! :-\

One of the craziest things i've ever seen was on TV in L.A. back in the late 80s. My buddy and me had been out drinking and, not wanting to find myself making a contribution to the Porcelain Convenience Fund, stayed up a while and had a midnight snack. So I'm sitting on the couch, noshing some Popeye's chicken and watching a samurai flick from one of the local stations. About fifteen minutes into the darned thing, it hits me - they're speaking Spanish! Blew my half-watt, half-drunk mind.

Now, as for the kids and schools - sadly, school teachers and administrators think boys are simply girls who can pee standing up, and should be punished when the occasional fist flies by noting this "anti-social behavior" on his permanent record card. It turns boys into these walking pressure cookers of rage and testosterone that either find an outlet on the sports field, streets, or, in those rare and dangerous cases, a time bomb.

We have to let boys be boys. Yes, a nose gets busted, some knuckles scrapped, eyes blackened. But this has been going on since the first man walked the earth, and it will be so until the last star winks out. Educators, stop treating boys like girls.

No, but we came damn close!

You got that shit right. I had one foot in the pen and the other on a banana peel for many years

http://tinyurl.com/6mgb7w


Checkpoints for English skills (and their vehicles "imponded", is that sinking them into a pond?)?...

Alot (pun intended) of these "English-Only" critters need to prepare to be charged...

Release the Grammar Police!!!

The sad part that Bubba doesn't get is, those who are bi-lingual are usually paid more than monolinguists.

But then, he's probably the "victim" of such "treason".

Oh, this is rich:


Apparently, "Captain America" doesn't understand he just made our case for us!

The French are coming to realize you need to be multi-lingual to get along in this world, that being an ignorant monolinguist hurts you in international trade - same goes for the U.S.!

I love it when they make our points for us!

One thing I really detest about xenophobes is how they presume that Hispanic immigrants "refuse to assimilate" and refuse to learn English.

All the credible surveys I've seen show Hispanic immigrants think learning English is very important, and while all first generation immigrants, especially older immigrants, struggle to master English, the vast majority of second generation immigrants speak English as their first language and speak it well.

Their claim that today's immigrants "refuse to assimilate" is total nonsense. Overall 20% of Latinos marry non-Latinos, and among the third generation it's about 50% for non-Mexican Latinos, and 25% for Latinos of Mexican descent. Well if all these people refuse to assimilate, then why do they marry outside their ethnicity? :102:

quiza es de poooozy????

Now the alicrappers are going bonkers over McDonalds! ::)

At least he didn't say he thought he'd get TB from illegal immigrants working at McDonalds. Willie claims he's selective of which Mexican restaurants he'll eat at and he won't eat at any that employ illegal immigrants because he doesn't want TB.

This alicrapper admits to being a screamer.

And this one's a cookie monster! :o

Here's that xenophobia again!

And this one claims discrimination. >:(

This one is both a hisser and screamer! >:(

And here's more evidence alicrappers can spot illegal immigrants without seeing their papers. ::)

And here's a classic case of xenophobia. This alicrapper claims America is being lost due to McDonalds advertising in Spanish!  ::)

And still more xenophobia.
Yes, this is sick. It's called X-E-N-O-P-H-O-B-I-A!

That's funny.

Now, who buys TWO DOZEN cookies at McDonalds? Why not go to your local supermarket or bakery, or for that matter, Wal-Mart? OF COURSE they couldn't fill her order - they probably didn't have two-dozen thawed out!

As for Missey "Smiles": best way to deal with idiots like that is to smile back and keep saying "is there anything else, Ma'am?" Do that for each and every comment, soon they get frustrated and leave, especially if you end the conversation with "have a nice day, Ma'am." If she doesn't leave within a suitable amount of time, call the cops and have her arrested for tresspassing. It's one thing to listen to customer complaints, it's quite another to allow them to tie up the drive-through.

And that first idiot should take a look around his neighborhood. McDonald's doesn't just pass out Spanish-language flyers willy-nilly.

All in all, yet another sad snapshot of Geriatric America, afraid of their own shadows, screaming into the night hoping to ward off imaginary boogeymen.

Sounds a lot like the South in the mid-60s.

And this alicrapper is just plain anti-catholic. ::) Now tell me, what's wrong with big candles in a Mary or Jesus glass cup? >:(

And this alicrapper doesn't like LEGAL immigration either! >:(

Out of all the religous icons, a Guadalupe Virgin image will be much more specific to heritage from Mexico than any other. But it still isn't a sign of immigration status. What's next, b1tching about the "Mexican Food" or "Oriental Food" aisle in the grocery store?

Those refried beans are dangerous!....

...especially in an old fart's system!

Now this alicrapper claims that Spanish language classes in the schools amounts to reconquista. ::)

And this alicrapper claims discrimination against non-Hispanics, and bilingual Hispanics hardly speak English.

I do have to say that I have seen what I felt was discrimination at a local Mal-Wart on a sign. But the sign was in English. It was the sign that warned the potential shoplifters about committing that crime, posted over the ¨Ethnic Hair Care¨ products.

The only such sign at the time in the whole store...

A John W. Lillpop article is quoted at Brand X (http://tinyurl.com/5tk9uk), and raises the hackles between some Alicrappers:





80% of 40 million is 32 million. If 32 million *illegal alien* Mexicans are 10% of Mexico´s population that is 320 million Mexicans (what about the Mexicans that aren´t illegal aliens in the United States?). The population isn´t even close to those numbers in Mexico (which would be more than the current total U.S. population at a little over 300 million).



I think you misheard ¨43 million Latinos¨, but it scares me if instead you are deliberately distorting that information...


*All* legal residents (¨Resident Card¨, aka ¨Green Card¨ holders) are work-authorized! The families of Resident Card holders are often often hold Green Cards themselves (if the family is not actually a mix of U.S. citizens as well). Richard doesn´t know the immigration system to think that foreign ¨parents, spouses, and children¨ are being easily admitted to the United States without work authorization for themselves (it´s largely the ¨American Way¨ that the government realizes both spouses must work to support a family if they admit them).

I get surprised all of the time by the non-existant classifications that Alicrappers make without being familiar with immigration at all...

This (http://tinyurl.com/55drgf) is a rather long, but informative, diatribe at Brand X by an Alicrapper that mistakenly reads about an Indian (dot, not feather) renewing an H-1B at the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, and thinks it is the Mexican government forging the visa renewal stamp. Very hilarious before ¨lindiloo¨ (Brand X´s resident H visa holder) and Richard step forward to make corrections. The truly sad thing is that I know so much about immigration *on both sides of the border* now that I can tell the Indian was not identifying the Mexican visa process as well as the U.S. version (an ¨FM3¨ is work-authorization in Mexico, not a ¨tourist visa¨ that is the ¨FMT¨; Furthermore the FMT is not needed for the area around Tijuana, only once you start travelling towards the interior of Mexico. The only thing I can think of is that the Indian was hedging his bets, so if the H-1B renewal was denied he would start to work in Mexico rather than returning to India.).

Alicrappers are still putting the Cosman Crap up too, with links to Free Republic: http://tinyurl.com/6py863



Far more than that, and much more outdated...

They're having another go at the NFL again.  Mrs. Guapo laughs when I tell her how upset these people get over the smallest things.  But some of the comments this time are offensive.

http://tinyurl.com/62f54h

This guy is a little over the top.  Merely because someone speaks Spanish he considers them illegal, and he considers that their sole aim is, not to work to make a living for themselves in their family and live in peaceful tranquility, but to take over the nation.  Sometimes it seems that some of the people just want to hate, and they search near and far looking for something to hate even if they have to use their imagination.

"nntrixie" weighs in to say:


Only from the year 1810!...

Got that up in the Docs... http://www.alipac.net/diary/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,74/Itemid,96/

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IBM, you really can't blame her for not hearing about Mexico Independence Day: after all, how many teenagers keep up with current events?

Spanish Language Music While On Hold
http://tinyurl.com/45v8l4

I’m going to start off by saying that I like the Spanish language.  I used to listen to the senoritas talking on the bus.  It was like sweet music to me.  I have a friend in Honduras, and when she talks, it sounds like she’s singing.

Unfortunately Alicrappers don’t feel the same way.  I present to you an Alicrapper who called Bath and Body Works (hopefully to order some deodorant).  When they were put on hold briefly, they heard music in the Spanish language.

The Alicrapper made a verbal complaint with the customer service representative and vowed to “NEVER order or shop there again”.  “Why did I have to listen to spanish [sic] while I was doing business in America???” she asked. 

 Another Alicrapper provided the customer service information for the company.  Several expressed their intentions to register complaints.

One idiot said that they switched car insurance companies because the Geico Gekko has a British accent.  For some reason anything at all that does not represent America (meaning the United States) is offensive to this person.

The thread produced some classic quotes.  If we started a collection of the all-time best Alicrap quotes, then some of these would be candidates for the top 10:

What the heck is a senator doing to do about it?

 I think this guy was trying to express the commonly used phrase: “I was born at night but not last night.”  Nevertheless, the statement “I was born yesterday” is classic.  They should be protesting how poorly the English language is taught in some schools in this country

Sorry SG, but the account is allotted only allotted 10 gig of space...

*Senators*. In this case it is (barely) plural, although not as plural as some of them think. Each American usually (DC and territories not withstanding) has *two* Senators to represent them. And *one* Representative (of the House).

Trouble is, these guys pester all 98 other Senators too, with identical form letters...

Then they complain when they aren´t taken seriously...

Well heck, they got the original Star Trek series another year on NBC...

http://tinyurl.com/66l9y2 (http://tinyurl.com/66l9y2)
This one's disgusting even more so because it involves children.  An extremely hateful Alicrapper went to a pumpkin patch of all places.  She noticed a lot of Hispanic children there and became "enraged".  For someone to be enraged by children they have be extremely sick. 

Specifically Kindgarten and 1st Grade children!:




¨alisab¨ has a signature of ¨Save America for our children!!!¨, ¨our¨ in this case meaning *non-Hispanic*...

She needs to hear another quote, part of a longer speech:

¨...I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character...¨

Hard to believe that some Americans have still not been able to follow that principle more than 45 years after the words were first spoken...

That's the kind of backward redneck racist Willy caters to.

Because it's easy to fleece for hateful causes.

And it looks like Madame Mayonnaise would have been very comfortable in Alabama during the 50s.

Having a go at Mexico now: http://tinyurl.com/5ekx93

An ALIcrapper finds a letter to the editor that highlights and exaggerates all the negative aspects of Mexican culture that he can think up.  Fellow ALIcrappers join in to applaude the irrational outlashing.  One guy is going to send it to all his friends (all both of them I guess).

You can do this with any culture.  Borrow trillions from Asia to finance big screen TVs and gas guzzling automobiles.  The world's largest per capita contributor to green house gas.  Centuries of slavery.  A history of lynchings.  A bomb was thrown into a church that killed four black girls.  The biggest consumer of narcotics on the planet.  Has its military bullying people around on every continent.  One of the most sedentary, overweight societies in the history of the world.  A former president was known to get snarlin' gnarlin's from interns in the oval office...

Every society has its ills.  You can bring up Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr or you can bring up David Duke.  You can mention Tim McVeigh or you can mention school teacher Ron Clark.  Joseph Hazelwood or the Wright Brothers.  These pieces of [gratuitous profanity deleted by moderator] choose to spread hate instead of friendship.

I was watching that one as well. Besides getting Texas history wrong, he falsely claims that a third of the prison population in the United States (currently above a million) are illegal aliens. This is a hate piece against all Hispanics, but the Alicrappers still think it is great.

On the local paper where that nasty letter first appeared (The Moultrie Observer, from south Georgia, where else), there is a nice rebuttal.

http://www.moultrieobserver.com/opinion/local_story_319233011.html (http://www.moultrieobserver.com/opinion/local_story_319233011.html)

Excellent rebuttal, one we've been making for years.

As for Maxwell's comments: first, the Mexican-American War was highly unpopular, and recognized at the time as an all-out land grab against a country still recovering from its revolution with Spain. Moreover, recent court events have sided with Mexican-Americans who were robbed of their property subsequent to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo; the GAO is still working on this one, trying to figure out how much is owed for land lease and mineral rights.

Second, just because someone tests positive for TB does not mean they're active: in many areas of the world the TB shot is a weakened vaccine of TB. It's just as effective as the shots given in the US, however it leaves TB in the bloodstream for life, thus causing "false positives." Yes, the test is working, and yes, the vaccine is working. I've got a better chance of catching TB off someone from the central part of Alabama than I have from someone from Mexico.

Finally, to the idiot saying Mexicans are "invading" this country: face it Sparky, white people are dying off in this country, while brown people are happily procreating. If you're so worried about the extinction of the White Way of Life, go grab a truckload of Viagra and find yourself a girlfriend. Trust me, it's a great pickup line.

I also wrote a letter to the Moultrie Observer. Given my teachy and insufferable style, it didn't make it to the site.
So now I am going to stick you guys with it.

Mr Editor,

 In response to a call by your publication to "celebrate Colquitt County rich Hispanic culture", Mr Fred Maxwell, a reader, responded with a letter having a remarkably bitter and negative tone. Thank you for the opportunity to contests those views.

 In his letter, Mr Maxwell proceeds to enumerate historical events and factoids which, in his opinion, prove that there is no such thing as a "rich Hispanic culture" (in Colquitt County or otherwise), but a culture bent on revenge, crime and parasitism against the US.

 First Mr Maxwell brings to our attention facts of the 1830-1860 Manifest Destiny period, ending with the "acquisition" by the US of two-thirds of Mexico's territory, and blames contemporary Mexicans for still feeling resentful about it.

 He then jumps 160 years and proceeds to depict how Hispanic gangs are given /carte blanche/, by the police police and politicians, to vengefully ravage the US. His evidence? That 1/3 of the prison population in the US is composed of illegal aliens, and that most gangsters are exempt for prosecution on account of their undocumented status.

 The 1/3 figure is absolutely false. Of the total carceral population of the US, only 6% (or 1/16) are foreigners, and that number bundles together both legal and illegal immigrants, and makes no distinction regarding their ethnicity.

 Some jurisdictions in the US do implement a "sanctuary" policy, which bars the police from automatically inquiring and reporting immigration-related violations. This has been welcomed and common-sense approach by the law enforcement personnel involved, because it encourages undocumented immigrants to come forward and report criminal activity (of which they are overwhelmingly the /victims/, not the perpetrators), without fear of being themselves deported.
Equating these "sanctuary" policies, whether you agree with them or not, to "the police giving up their obligation to prosecute mobsters", is an insult to the intelligence of the readers!

 Mr Maxwell continues his haphazard enumeration, by telling how a dreadful drug-related gang war has erupted in some Mexican border towns, and how in the meantime leading politicians in the US (specifically Obama, Bush and McCain, whom he dubs "The Three Stooges") not only stand in acquiescence of this violence, but promote it through proposals of free trade and blanket amnesties for the undocumented already in the US.

 This is a disingenuous set of loosely connected half-truths: It is true that grisly drug-related murders have become commonplace in certain Mexican border cities. The aforementioned politicians do favor, in different degrees, proposals of comprehensive immigration reform, And it is true that several schools of thought in economics, present free trade agreements in a negative light, especially if they don't contain worker and environmental safeguards.
 But it is not true that the drug-related violence in the southern border is originated by Mexican cartels alone: without the high drug demand inside the US, the cartels would not exist. It is not true that either Bush, Obama or McCain had proposed outright amnesty, but instead, different versions of a tough, protracted and expensive process which would open an avenue to legalization, paired with fines, waits, enhanced border control and stricter workplace enforcement. And it is at least unclear how raised tariffs and protectionism would work against the criminal element of smugglers and traffickers on either side of the border.

 To top off his apocalyptic description, Mr Maxwell decries armed incursions by Mexican military into US territory, and the spreading of leprosy and other medieval diseases by Mexicans into the US. Even Lou Dobbs, who carved a news genre based on this sort of allegations, had to recant and disavow Madeleine Cosman, a seriously disturbed contributor to his show who started the leprosy fad. As for the Mexican military, the last time they entered the US, it was to contribute to the reconstruction of New Orleans.

 The rest of Mr Maxwell's letter serves as a "conclusion" to the aforementioned factoids, making a dramatic call to fellow Americans to "stop the invasion". Popular material culture items like tacos or sombreros, would be, according to him, just a Trojan horse, a spearhead of the real cultural payload of crime, vengeance, disregard for the US values, that characterizes the Hispanic mentality.
   It is not so much the harshness and absurdity of Mr Maxwell's claims what worry me, but the fact that they have been considered shared and representative enough to be published in a paper. How much fear and anger!

  Mongo Aurelio

Are you sure? They may hold stuff for 24 hours or so to check it out before publishing.

I thought it was a fair-minded piece.

Great LTE Mongo. However, one suggestion I might make:
Also mention that 11% of the U.S. population are immigrants, so if six percent of the prison population are immigrants that means we're half as likely to find an immigrant in prison than a citizen.

Actually the odds are even less because demographically more immigrants are young and male, the group that normally has high incarceration rates. so you'd expect the odds would be even higher, but are not. Sociologists who have studied this refer to this as "self-selection." Those who self-select to immigrate have been shown to have lower propensity for committing crime (i.e. non-immigration offenses).

Should of signed it Billy Bob Leroy Boy Jones and you would have been published.

Mongo Aurelio sounds so, so, well Mexikun!!! ;)

Never mind  ;). A rebuttal was published, that's what matters.

Another winner and her opinion on Obama and  the upcoming civil war.  This one has an assassination reference.  ::)

(http://www.postimage.org/PqItMB0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqItMB0)

This is just to show for the record that they still judge immigration status by appearance.
http://tinyurl.com/a8yolx (http://tinyurl.com/a8yolx)

A guy named Big Tex is concerned about some people in his neighborhood who work for a living.


I know I know I know.  We have dozens and dozens of examples just like this.  I just want to document that it hasn't changed.

Today my wife was called in to the office at work, and told that a customer had complained "She was trying to steal my identity!" when my wife wrote the driver's licence number on the personal check the customer was using to pay. No, it wasn't actually during the time my wife was her cashier. Or for that matter immediately afterwards at the office.

The customer called it in after they had left the store...

My wife's accent probably had much to do with it. She didn't hear whether the customer had questioned her immigration status on the call before she was brought to the office. I can only speculate that she was considered an illegal immigrant by the customer, then all of the conspiracies dropped into place in their head.

I was in the same position as the customer today as well, paying by personal check at the local Post Office. The clerk, looking Oriental enough, wasn't questioned by me when writing down my driver's licence number on the check. In fact I even made the comment when retracting my military ID that my Service Number listed there is the same as my Social Security number.

I didn't call the Post Office back after I left...

Of course I know by the position the the female clerk is fully authorized to work there (the same as a cashier would be at my wife's work)...

I also know enough not to judge people by their ethnicity or whether they are different from myself...

My wife, presented the chance, could have shown her driver's licence to question why she would need another. The written number shouldn't be very usable as it is anyway. But there is no telling on conspiracy theories floating in folks' heads.

Even citizens and legal immigrants are the objects of their hatred.

Good evening all! I was looking for a forum that shared my points of view and came across alipac. I have to say I'm not sure this is where I want to be after reading all the bashes against other sites. I understand why this is done but is this all thats here or is this the bash thread? I agrre with most of what I have read in the last 2 hours but it seems childish to bash. All it does is make complainers instead of people who want to work towards a good outcome. Then I came across the post above. I registered for 2 reasons. 1) To ask if this is what normaly goes on here and 2) to give an opinion on the post I'm replying to. I see nothing that is a reference to any assassination when I cant see the posts leading up to the one in question or the one after. It has been taken out context and you should not make serious assumptions or accusations like that! Asking where quigley is could mean she wants quigley there if a war broke out which is dumb because quigley is a person from tv and that is the way I saw rea it. If she was asking for quigley to shoot anyone that is even more dumb and is not a threat of assassination because quigley does not exist! I dont care to see Obama called a illegal alien or even think he is starting any kind of revolution for them, but the last line means nothing to the way of a reference to assassinate! I went to the other alipac (why is there another one?) and could not find the post by searching her username. It shows some but not that one. I also noticed that when I registered here the rules are clear in posting copyrite material. Posting a link is ok but posting a screenshot is violating the site owners copyrite because you are reproducing it elsewhere. And to accuse someone of something like that no matter where they play is really a bad thing to do! Please dont get upset with me for saying these things because I just want to be involved with a group that plays by the rules and follows the rules. Should I stay or should I go?
The Crow (old) :P

Ayyy.
Could you put a line break, once in a while?

Really! ENTER ENTER!!!!

You misunderstand *copyright* laws, and are equating it to the owner of a house being able to copyright every image of their house taken from a public road. ¨Brand X¨ (the other ALIPAC) did not design their forum software, nor have intellectual property rights (not that there is any intellectuals there anyway) for what is posted there (what would amount to graffiti on the example of the house above). I can´t gain copyright to the Bible merely by quoting scripture on my website.

As for the ¨bashing¨, try to register and post a deference of opinion at Brand X. You will be quickly bashed and banned. We tolerate quite a bit more here, but you have to be able to back up any statements you make.

The Secret Service do take some of these threats against the President Elect rather seriously. I can back up the statement that Brand X has had at least one member that had FBI agents show up at his doorstep to check out a comment he made. If you have read over two hours of material here but still wonder, you need to read more. And follow Brand X (most references will give a link back to the source, but be aware that [sic] ¨moderators¨ at Brand X will kill a comment if it apparently meets their worst criteria) for some time to read the hatred they post.

Maybe I was wrong on the "copyright" part but hurling insults back and forth defeats the purpose and making accusations to anyone when it has no legitimate standing is wrong like the one I commented on about assassination. Maybe someone did have the SS show up but that one up there is nothing and you guys think it is so you attack. Sorry my old bones dont play these games. Have a nice holiday peoples.