ALIPAC - American-Latino Immigrants Proudly Assisting the Community

For those who do not frequent the HB forum board, there has been a brush war going on between William Gheen, president of ALIPAC, and Bob1388. Intermixed in the fray has been posts by LaVerdad claiming to have evidence that ALIPAC.us has forum posts from the marginally sane wanting to shoot Mexicans.

Gheen has vehemently denied it.

LaVerdad has proven it.

http://www.galleons.org/documents/alipac_greatest_hits.pdf (http://www.galleons.org/documents/alipac_greatest_hits.pdf)





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I say question Gheen on his call-in program tomorrow morning. Let him squirm.

Bob

I encourage others to write too. Better yet call in to ask whether Gheen still consideres it humorous.

'curtisw@sea-comm.com'
Mr. Wright,

Attached are actual screen shots taken from ALIPAC’s web site! Mr. Gheen seemed to think it was funny to shoot Mexicans for a bounty!

Please ask Mr. Gheen on your show whether he still considers that funny.

Thanks,

Bob

Forget writing to Curtis Wright. He's been brainwashed by W. He seems to think anyone opposed to anti-Hispanic xenophobia is automatically an open borders liberal.

Curtis Wright e-mail to Bob:
Save it!!!! OR, you can send me an address to send the bills.....

As one caller said: "it's the law....and, if we are a nation of laws, you don't get to pick and choose which one's to follow!"

Curtis Wright
The Morning Beat

P.S. Please remove me from your e-mail listing. Thanks.

Bob's response to Curtis Wright. Probably a waste of bandwidth, but what the heck?

Mr. Wright, how can you make such comments without even knowing my position on illegal immigration?

I am a strong opponent of amnesty and illegal immigration. I don’t think anyone is above the law, and that includes anti-immigration organizations that don’t pay their payroll taxes, obtain proper licenses, or file accurate campaign finance reports. I think everyone should be held accountable if they don’t follow the law.

My e-mail was about xenophobia at ALIPAC. They might be on the same side of the amnesty issue as I am, but it is their anti-Hispanic attitudes and xenophobia I object to.

If you want to bill someone for reading my e-mail, send it to ALIPAC, where this material it originated.

Bob

But murdering is not against the law?

Crazy world Bob isn't?  No one wants to hear the truth.  I don't know what Bible he reads but my New Testament says if you think murder you have committed it.  Now the Bible does not say murdering an illegal alien is OK because he broke the law and you should get as much money for his head as possible. 

Instead God says forgive and what you do for the least of these you do for me.  Who is least of these:

Children, The Poor, Widows, Homeless -- get the picture.


What is wrong with Curits?  Does he not see those comments to be distasteful and seriously sick?

I doubt Curtis even read the Xenophobia commentary by Buford. Probably saw one or two and immediately assumed if I am criticizing ALIPAC xenophobia then that means I am for amnesty, etc. Didn't occur to him it's the xenophobia I object to.

Bob none of us here (the majority who are for a reformed comprehensive immigration bill) believe you are for amnesty or a comprehensive bill.  You have been quoted over & over as saying you are for enforcement.

I guess those guys and girlyguys just can't read or comprehend what they are reading.

You and I have disagreed and have stated at various times are position on the matter.

Some people like W are egocentric and act more like big babies than anything else.  Typing slower won't help them read, NOT having integrity and enough respect to listen to other people before making false accusations indicate that they are simple minded.

Part of this goes back to the "either you're for us or you're against us" mentality that prevails at ALIPAC. If you're not as xenophobic as they are but if you say you're against legalization then you're a "closet open borders liberal." It's all black or white with that crowd; no moderate or in-between. Extremist with them is the KKK and anything to the center is either a "closet OBL" or an "OBL."

Here's one from W encouraging all legal Americans to own guns. After reading some of the other posts, especially the one about shooting Mexicans, I'm not sure I would trust those guys with guns. Not only are some of them hateful, but many aren't all that bright and might easily hurt themselves or others.

http://tinyurl.com/2heyjv
As President of ALIPAC, I gladly encourage all legal Americans to own guns and to support and protect our 2cd Amendment rights. Being able to defend yourself, your family and your home is important. Being able to protect your community in times of disaster is also important.

A well armed citizenry is the cornerstone of defense against national enemies foreign and domestic as well as individual freedoms and liberty.

I'm all for ALIPACkers and Minutemen having guns.

Most of 'em would shoot themselves while cleaning the gun, or using it for an improvised hammer.

And that little fracas in San Diego would have been much more amusing if videotaped during a firefight.

ARM THEM PUPPIES!

THIN THE HERD!

Those Alipacers are what they are.

They are boycotting BA

Lets ask everyone to sign up to BA.


http://www.alipac.us/
Bank Defends Credit Cards for Illegal Immigrants
Wednesday, February 14 @ 18:41:39 UTC by Jean (625 reads)
In Los Angeles, immigrants who don't have credentials to work in the United States can still get a credit card, thanks to a pilot program run by Bank of America. The bank is hoping to tap a fast-growing market by offering credit cards to illegal immigrants without Social Security numbers.

Bank of America is testing the new credit-card program at about 50 Los Angeles branches. Applicants don't need a Social Security number or a traditional credit check to qualify. But they do need to have a Bank of America checking account with no recent history of bounced checks.

Topics:  Illegal Immigration, Bank of America, banks, credit cards, Social Security

ok, a couple of things...

First, this BA credit card sounds like a Libertarian's dream: no background check, no need to give up what was simply a savings account number with Uncle Sam. Provided you have an account with BA and haven't bounced any checks, you're golden. Since they aren't discriminating as to who can have this kind of an account, you'd think the Tinfoil Hat Brigade set would be lined up around the block, thanking BA for staying out of their SSN.

Secondly, with qualifications like that (BA account, no SSN (meaning no credit check,) ) just how big a line of credit is BA extending? For that matter, what are the terms?

Trust me, BA wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think it would make them tons of cash.

I would mention that there are legal nonimmigrants who cannot obtain a social security number because they are not authorized to work.

Social Security will also not give a social security number to anyone with expired immigration paperwork, and will not accept a receipt for adjustment of status either, though those immigrants are lawfully present while their cases are pending.

There are people who would benefit from the BOA credit card who are not necessarily illegal immigrants.

Check out this post by W, talking about how ALI-PAC moderators don't allow posts about viiolence, etc.

gofer wrote:
Check out this little tidbit they accuse us of:

Quote:
That's not all. That's not the worst. Something scary is the threats of violence. The moderators of ALIPAC want to keep this out of public view, and they will delete any comment that suggests violence. Really? There have been many. Some people talk about wanting to shoot people trying to cross the border. Others suggest land mines. Still others think that a civil war in this country is inevitable and recommend that the anti-Hispanic movement take up arms.  
 
W:
This comment is partially true. We have banned many people that have tried to talk about lethal force on our site or make overly bravado comments. And there are people that believe illegal immigration is destabilizing our nation to the point mass unrest.

Six percent of our supporters are Hispanic and we are certainly not anti-Hispanic, but no matter what we do they will always spout that lie. Anyone that would oppose millions of illegal aliens will be called racist or anti immigrant or anti Hispanic etc... To hell with them!

They are the racists and they want all Hispanics to support La Raza which means they must support their illegal brothers and sisters. Most American Hispanics do not support the illegals and we welcome and encourage them to fight along side us.

Posts made by people with anonymous titles from the open source Internet do not reflect the organizational positions and temperament of ALIPAC.

Every section of our boards has the rules listed and each person that signs up for an account signifies they understand and will obey our rules.

Rule number six points out that ALIPAC is not responsible for post contents nor do the posts here signify endorsement or support etc....

Yes, our moderators will remove any post and or user that is out of line with our rules.

It is scary that some Americans are becoming so fed up that they are having violent thoughts in their thinking about protecting themselves and America. That is not what ALIPAC is about so we do not allow that on our site.

If we ever miss a comment like that, we gladly remove it pointed out to us.

In fact, we ask that all of our board users assist our moderators by watching for this kind of material and alerting us if spotted.

The illegal alien supporters may wish to try and elevate concerns about some of the posts we have removed from our site.

What is more scary than angry Americans ready to mine the Southern border is the 12-25 more Americans killed today.

How many thousands of legal American family members that did nothing wrong are in tears tonight?

How many American teenagers and kids are going to puff on that Mexican meth or Colombian cocaine streaming through Mexico?

How many families are sleepless tonight with the news of the foreclosure of their homes due to lost jobs and depreciated wages?

There's blood all over American streets due to this crisis and yes some Americans are having a hard time keeping a cool head.

The good people at ALIPAC do their part to provide an online activism working and information area that reflects the mainstream Americans that are upset about these issues.

To all of you open borders illegal alien supporting crybabies out there screaming because you saw someone type something that alarmed you at ALIPAC before it was removed, you can go stick it where the sun does not shine.

You are acting like screaming monkeys in the trees throwing your feces at us while we pick up the bodies of our dead and injured countrymen and women.

We will do our very best here at ALIPAC to maintain our composure as escalating reports of death, damage, and mayhem from illegal aliens stream in. We will maintain our high ground as we work late and early hours to restore our republic and the rule of law.

We will work legally and civic mindedly to have our existing laws enforced.

And if we should fail in our multiethnic peaceful and civic minded approach, or if our enemies should succeed in depriving the American public of moderate routes of organization, then let the chips fall where they may.

Our goal at ALIPAC is to do all that can be done to diffuse this crisis and avert further tragedy by restoring political balance represented by the wishes of over 80% of the American public.

What these illegal alien supporting freaks are trying to is to try and derail our operations by claiming a post here and there by an anonymous Internet user is an example of what this organization is about, and that is just plain Bull &&$   Is W anonymous? I don't think so. He thought a bounty for illegal immigrant Mexicans was "humorous." Once he admits taking part in a discussion about shooting Mexicans for a bounty, is he going to apologize publicly? Somehow I don't think so.

As President of ALIPAC, I gladly encourage all legal Americans to own guns and to support and protect our 2cd Amendment rights. Being able to defend yourself, your family and your home is important. Being able to protect your community in times of disaster is also important.

A well armed citizenry is the cornerstone of defense against national enemies foreign and domestic as well as individual freedoms and liberty.  

Welcome to the United States of America.

Land of the free and home of the brave.

W

Right how did the moderators let a few violent comments go because they weren't moderating W.  It was you who particpated in the odious conversation of killing. >:(

Jim Jones personafied.

He forgot he wasn't anonymous when he posted that murdering was hilarious -- Amazing how his gheenites are so desensitized to the topic of murdering illegals that they don't even realize they are participating in a call to violence.  Hate causes that lack of reaction.

I wouldn't brag if I were him, that he has 6% Hispanic membership on his Ali-PAC site.   LOL!  Six percent is like a needle in a haystack, since the second largest population is Hispanic.  Why do you think his Hispanic membership is so low?  I'll tell you, it's because they view him as nothing more than a hate extremist.

Just like any other group, Hispanic citizens can be xenophobic as well. There are even some Hispanics who are anti-white (i.e. Aztlanistas) but I believe their numbers are few. Xenophobia and racism are not exclusive.

W uses his Hispanic and Black members to shield himself from the obvious.

I recall a Hispanic moderator from ALIPAC on HB a while back, who told us Hispanic members at ALIPAC are watched like a hawk watches a mouse.

We do not condone or agree w/Atzlanistas or Mechas.  Never have.  I believe they too have low membership.  Most Hispanics do not identify with that way of thinking - that murder is a resolution.

He claims anomynity saves the individual from making ludicrous remarks...well that individual was him - he signed off using W.

While anomynity does save some (although we were told by W that we could be sued, another laughable comment) others should be responsible for their answers.  Especially those in leadership positions.

I remember watching Dateline a few weeks back...they had a special on phedaphilist -- thank God those pedaphilist were prosecuted.  The pedaphilist were prosecuted by the very words they confessed via the Internet.  Intent and Motive, very strong.  Funny how Alipac feels slighted by their own words.  Yet, W did not admit he contributed to the conversation.  Everything was my moderator this and my moderators that...He does play the blame game.  Who would want someone like that as their leader?  Someone that is not willing to take responsibility for their part in wrongdoing.

One of these days a journalist is going to confront W about the shooting Mexicans for a bounty conversation. He will try and deny it, but the evidence is incontrovertible. Not only is it on their web site but you have screen shots. Too many have read the thread.

Question: what would William Gheen think about a bounty for the heads of organizations that don't pay their taxes. Would he find that "humorous"?  :044:

Here's ALIPAC's financial disclosures.
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00405878

Notice how there is payroll almost every month since June 2005 but no payroll tax payments reported? :o

Mr. Watchman please do inquire...It is my understanding that soon you will have something very delightful and HUMOROUS to post...kind of a double standard but expected in the hypocrisy Gheenland.

:P ;)

I started a thread on ALIPAC's bank account. Did you see it?

I'm holding the other big item until it gets into the hands of law enforcement. Is that the one you're referring to?

I was referring to what you already posted.

"Handbanana" from ALIPAC claims the who "shooting Mexicans" thread is all made up.
http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-02-27-0013.html

Gee, here's the ALIPAC.US thread and it sure looks real to me:
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=19174&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25

They are all a bunch of liars.  That's not stuff one just jokes around with.  And to prove their all a bunch of liars, W says:

But if you look down at the bottom of their page it reads:

 ::)

I would not be suprised if much of the added traffic is viewers we are sending from the xenophobia and shooting Mexicans threads posted in various places on-line.

If that's the case ALIPAC might be getting more page views than normal, but ALIPAC.US is creating a bad image for themselves among the American public.

I'd be curious to see what our site's web traffic looks like, especially cross traffic from other sites.

W sent a message to the admin of a NC blog complaining about the shooting Mexicans thread posted there. Of course he posted nothing to refute; only wrote the site. The admin decided to post W's message:
http://bluenc.com/alipac-president-thinks-idea-of-shooting-illegal-immigrants-for-bounty-is-humorous#comments

The sad part is the damned fool hasn't bothered to zap that comment.

The arrogance of the man is blinding.

Zapping the posts would be an admission he was wrong to start with, something that's very hard for someone with a king-sized ego to admit.

So now Gheen advocates for censorship because he can't control his big mouth! :o

 :005:

It's only censorship when someone censors Gheen or one of his followers. If Gheen censors someone then that is just preventing race baiting, etc.

ahhh?! I get it....ethnic bashing is okay but confrontation of such subject is 'race baiting'....

where's the FCC when you need them... :031:

But of course those numbers are from the forum (and I believe most of those "Guests" are doing as me, siphoning off "evidence"), the other several hundreds plus could be viewing webpage content - still probably very inflated numbers...

"Guests" wouldn't be posting, and if Willy is actively commenting about users online he is counted as one out of the seven remaining...

Interesting quote by William Gheen. After an ALIPACer joked about impersonating an Immigration agent with a downloaded paper patch in an ER to get quicker service, Gheen stated:
http://tinyurl.com/3698pf
The poster who challenged the illegal action was banned, but the original post advocating an illegal act is still there.

Well, excuse me, but what was PintoBean's comment about a bounty for "rednecks with shotguns" that Gheen thought was "humorous." If ALIPAC doesn't allow posts advocating illegal actions "even in jest" then why didn't William Gheen take action against PintoBean, and also delete the post? Hypocrites!!!

I've been addicted to that site for months now and I can't understand how they manage to stay afloat. Does everyone remember how the fundraiser was a total bust? They never did reach their goal.

 What I'm curious about is how the mods and Gheen are paid. I tired to search their site for financial information but couldn't find any. Is Gheen paid through donations or does he get money every time he shows up on TV as a guest? Do they have 1 primary donor keeping them afloat?
 Does anyone know where I can get access to this info?
 

Here's their FEC reports, which are available on-line:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00405878

William Gheen gave himself a raise to $3,500 per month early in 2007.

There's no business like Show Business...

Correct me if I'm wrong. In 2007  Gheen's paycheck consisted of  30% of their total budget.

Gheen gets $3,500 a month      and ALIPAC's total budget is $72,418 for half the year

72,418 x 2 =  144,836 yearly budget

3,500 X 12months =42,000/yr Gheen gets paid   Good amount in North Carolina

42,0000/ 144,836 =30%

The rest went to dinners, hotel rooms and gas. Only a little went to the website.

Other than Gheen going on TV, they don't do anything but bitch about things on their website.
That crappy website takes 144,836 dollars a year to run!
 
Any organization that eats AT LEAST 30% of donations to paying for the salary of the founder and the rest goes to dinners, gas, and hotel rooms for him is a scam. 

If I was a donor (which I'm not), I would add up all the gas expenses because they seem suspect. I don't have the time or patience  right now.

And 30% is the lowest percentage to date with ALIPAC, reflecting the large expenditure (and fund raising) for the automated phone calls made. It was closer to 90% in past years.

Note also there were no payroll tax payments of any kind reported in any of their reports, though Gheen is a regular employee per IRS guidelines. He tried to tell us on HB that he's an independent contractor, but fails to meet about half of the IRS guidelines.

One question:

Where in hell is all that money coming from?

While brand X may have more traffic than we do, they have what - 21 people actively using the site?

Where is all that money coming from?

Gheen pays himself $42K a year, and that may be good money in Raleigh, but it still won't cover his traveling expenses unless he's living on a diet of peanut butter and rice (which by the look of him is very possible.)

So where's all that money coming from?

And how is he getting away with it?

ALIPAC pays his travel expenses too, though if you look at the IRS guidelines for independent contractors it states they pay their own expenses and costs, are paid by the job not the time period, etc.

Gheen did special fund raising for the automated callers, scaring the bejesus out of the alicrappers that amnesty was going to pass, the North American Union was going through, etc. to raise a huge sum for 1+ million phone calls.

That Call Center must have cost a pretty penny, too.

Things just don't add up.

I mean, a Call Center handling 1+million calls would probably cost around $75k all by itself (facility, utilities, phones, organizers, database (probably had 'volunteers' man the phones, otherwise the cost would have doubled.))

Unless of course he borrowed the facilities of someone else's call center (but why would anyone give up their own campaign drive?)

If I were a speculating sort of guy (heaven forbid!,) I'd start speculating about some Sugar Daddy supporting this crew - strictly off the books.

That is, if I were a speculating sort of guy.

Heaven forbid.

Hilarious.

http://contacto.presidencia.gob.mx/en/

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-93782.html

Sen. Feinstein's staff gave one of them the link to the Mexican president's contact page like the one the public has for Bush.
The losers think it's an actual email address that she "leaked out" by accident. 

Here is a thread (http://tinyurl.com/2gwtl9) that after the OP got a couple wiki links wrong (it doesn't look deliberate, but I have no doubts there are ones fooling Alicrappers with similiar-looking links) there is all kinds of ideas flying around:

It must be that the page showing the truth was willfully removed from the Internet...

Because the information is so heavily accessed that the page is having trouble...

That the truth of the page can be rewritten, so better save old textbooks...

One paragraph of the quoted wiki link is an interesting twist of irony:

"...Seeking to better control the border region of Texas, which had few settlers, the Mexican government permitted a few hundred U.S. families to settle the area. This, however, led to settlement of Texas on a scale unanticipated by the Mexican government, as its inability to control the border allowed thousands more Americans to settle than had been agreed upon. English-speaking settlers quickly formed a majority in Texas."

This link does work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American_War

While we're on the subject of geniuses, check out this thread from one of our favorite Mensa groups:
http://tinyurl.com/39gffj

Just read the first few posts in the thread.

How many of you know about "Ginger Snaps".  Dumbest person alive.

She's(maybe he) is a Canadian Citizen here with her mother who is on a student visa. She's the one who claimed Miami Dade would not let her pay in-state because she was white. Um no, because you are not a citizen or a legal permanent resident. Florida doesn't give anyone else in-state tuition. Maybe if they had passed the DREAM act she advocated against, she would be able to.


WTF, you are not even a LPR!  Those Cubans are here permanently, you are still on a non-immigrant visa!   She claimed to be an American in another post and a few of the posters called her out on it but she's white so the losers had no problem with the statement. She is Canadian by your own damn definition! Is this person really this stupid or do they think only "white" people can be Americans?
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No, she's just been taken over by the pod people already (and related to another Alicrapper too). I really think Brand X will have a hard road defending her once she becomes a visa overstay. They back her to the hilt, chain migration (coming from that bad land of Canada with her parents) and all. The only difference of why they would tolerate that for her is because she is just like them.

I hate to tell that simple female cocker spaniel, but the entire Western freakin' Hemisphere is named America.

And that's another thing, this "in-state tuition" thing.

In-State Tuition is granted to students who... wait for it, now... live in state. That requirement depends on the particular state, but the prerequisite is usually 2-5 years of having lived in that state.

Since a lot of undocumented kids have lived in the state since they were little kids, grew up in the Public School system, and their parents paid a crapload of taxes while they lived in that state, it only makes sense that we would give them (or any kid who grew up in the state) a break on the tuition, especially since their parents pay to keep the State school system afloat.

It irks me to no end to hear these "entitled" crotchfruit scream about "illegals getting in-state tuition." Well Sparky, if you spent more than five minutes in that state, you'd be eligible too!

Novaman from Prince William County

No, not childish........more like homicidal

Should have got a screen shot, now the "moderators" have edited the phrase. Also, try to provide a link back to the quote (http://tinyurl.com/26sgzn in this case). A fairly interesting thread when you know about some of the personalities there, and in those personal conflicts much of their base nature is seen.

I have the screen shot. I try to avoid linking to that site if possible. The last thing I want to do is drive up their ranking in search engines.

Going over there is like watching a train wreck. It's horrifying but you can't help but look. The sad thing is that's the most "PC" anti-immigration site out there.  You should see the stuff on the others. Libertypost.org is one that gets pretty ugly,  someone mentioned Save our state, and of course Free Republic.

But the screenshot image would be hosted within your webspace (or I can host it) to embed the link in your post...

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV3vVqpr

They took down the thread. Not sure if had more to do with his comment or the bickering that was going on in the thread. Didn't ban the crazy guy though, they never do. He's still a full fledged memeber of Gheen's organization. Gheen Removing threads doesn't mean your members are any less petty or crazy. It's all about appearances for them. Be proud of your members William.

It was the politics that made the thread disappear. Each Alicrapper is going to back "thier" [sic: "usanevada"] candidate in an uncompromising manner, so it's going to keep coming up again and again as election day nears (and that is the reason Brand X tries hard to keep them focused on the core issues). But we are talking about forums filled (not just Brand X) with the most paranoid, conspiracy-laden, spiteful folks around.

Of course they won't ban him. Willy's admonishment to Pine Straw Dude (not the Alicrapper making the quote, but the OP of this "Adios Amigos" thread we are covering here) surprised even me, because it is such a rare thing in trying to avoid alienating anyone (and I mean anyone) to keep the numbers up. Forum members with more than like a 1000 posts (usanevada has been back a couple weeks, and will probably breast that number within a few more days as he hits his stride) are supposed to have their forum membership evaluated by the board of "moderators" to find out whether that conduct is so bad that the person needs to be banned (that has to be a rare event indeed).

Willy knows (I've got the screen shot) his movement brings in the nutjobs. It can't be an easy job as an orderly deciding who is too crazy for the institution (generally in Brand X's case it means not playing the same insane games as the others). He does have those "moderators" that reinforce the party line anyway, so he can be above the fray of being the bad guy to his followers.

Looking through the polls Brand X has up, I find one (http://tinyurl.com/25qyut) that has a fair sampling of 1355 Alicrappers (you have to be on a Brand X account to vote in a forum poll, so it would exclude many spurious entries):

Is there a separatist uprising movement in the US?

Two of the allowed responses are "Yes, the Aztlan and Reconquista effort is growing." (with 937, or 69.15% agreeing with this statement) and "We've already lost part of the US." (285, or 21.03%). A full 90% of this Alicrapper sampling feels "Reconquista" is a valid threat to the United States. Outside of xeno forums, where is there other talk of reconquista?

Let's have a poll here, is "Reconquista" just something to spur on the xeno movement when it is actually just changing demographics that are making them nervous?

Let's put it this way.

The only ones advocating "reconquista" are old Chicano Studies majors from the 70s and maybe some firebrands at college - which is all good and well, especially when you think about the Black Panthers and their goal to set up a new African nation (I think it was in Arizona or some other oddball state.) It was all BS designed to promote one thing - getting in the pants of some college girls.

The fact is, the folks coming up here from Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, and the other Central American countries have only one thing on their minds - work. They don't have time for abstract principles or diatribes from some kid wearing a beanie and a wispy goatee.

Exactly my point: By the term's definition there are no "Chicanos" south of the U.S. border unless they are visiting distant relatives. It would be the same misnomer to call a recent African immigrant (or some of his countrymen that had not even left Africa) a "Black Panther" based purely on his skin color, not his idealogy. In this day and age there is far more Kluckers or White Separatists than there is advocating a return of "Azlan".

Come'on, there was probably clearer title to Alcatraz Island, but the "Native Americans of Different Tribes" failed to gain back that smaller territory in 1969 (and we don't generically accuse a Navajo today of trying to reclaim "The Rock")...

[EDIT: Notice I don't talk about a nation of origin for that example African immigrant above, just like the xenos have no concern of the actually country of origin south of the border. I also stereotype all Africans as a single color of Black, like the xenos do for the incredibly diverse Hispanics. Do all of the lurkers grasp the concept now?]

Frankly, they can have it back - the place is about ready to fall in on itself.

(But I did enjoy the hell out of the movie. So much so it's in my collection.)

It's a sad comment to say if they had succeeded (with a double meaning here) there would now be a casino there...

That would be one hell of an idea - provided the foundation was still viable.

Here (http://tinyurl.com/27u7fm) we have Brand X up in arms that since one media outlet said it was "likely" this would be President Bush's last State of the Union address that there is a plan for him to somehow retain that position of power. The media (suspect for the conspiracy-minded alicrappers anyway) must have knowledge of what will transpire since they made the statement. Like he can have the most powerful position in the world, but still not somehow schedule a State of the Union address right before he leaves office (it has been done twice before).

Let's think a little more outside the box...

You're talking about people who consider wordnetdaily a reliable source of information.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-100886.html

That quote is scary. I almost fear for an assassination attempt on Sen. McCain. I hope the secret service monitors that site. With McCain the front runner now, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those nut cases tried something.

Trust me, that bubba rotting in jail right now isn't the only dipstick being monitored by the FBI.

Just visited their site.............I'm appalled at how ignorant and naive they there.  McCain's win has made them go even crazier.  I can't believe they are taken seriously by the media.





P.S. What's with all the cat avatars? That realm of crazy must be lonely.

Brand X's President W appears on Lou Dobbs and Neil Cavuto and other programs all the time. I wonder how often he would appear if they saw just how loonie the alicrappers are.

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If it went their way "The People have spoken", if it went against them "The machines are rigged", "There is a conspiracy", "The illegals are voting", etc...

Even Willy is saying it...

That, and saying Obama is trying to make himself look like Martin Luther King in speeches (http://tinyurl.com/2sr8mk, be careful, there is separate videos of Willy and Larry playing their muzak)...

That may be exactly why they appear on those shows.

It's television. If they could get one of those geeks to bite the heads off chickens, they'd book 'em for months straight.

They appear until the "crazy-at-me" level, like Michelle Dallacroce has reached with Lou Dobbs. You won't see her anytime soon on his show. And don't worry about that chicken segment, Lou's working it in to a show about how Avian Flu has increased in numbers since illegal immigrants started crossing more over the last few years, and thusly those "Patriots" on his show biting the heads off are "saving America".

I've been keeping half an eye on one new Alicrapper ("StopTheInvasionOfOregon") [EDIT: I'm changing the gender-specific terms, because I now believe she is a woman] since the account was created about a month ago, but had a recent post come up that peaked my interest to look through a few of the others:


(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/STI_1st.jpg)

So a new rule (and banning *all* legal immigration for ten years) that says anyone of 300 million plus Americans are not allowed to marry whom they want. I served this country for 22 years, and I'm not going to have anyone tell me I couldn't go into a union with the love of my life if she happens to be from another country. It's still has been an epic journey with mountains of paperwork and fees to get my wife and stepchildren in the United States.

It gets worse, "stoptheinvasionoforegon" talks about my wife's home country:


Prostitution is not "legal" anywhere in Mexico (at the same time it is legal in part of the United States). It is not "okay" to rape women and children. Rape and prostitution were already present in the United States, not brought in by Mexicans.

(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/STI_2nd.jpg)

And


(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/STI_3rd.jpg)

So, another Alicrapper steps in, to say "stoptheinvasionoforegon" is avocating breaking Brand X forum rules, not for Hispanic bashing, but because she "double dared" another member to post personal info of an immigrant, so Alicrappers can "report" the Guatemalan. A forum moderator edited her post, but only to remove a slur she posted about the Guatemalan immigrant, not that she was prompting for the immigrant's information to be posted on the site.

(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/STI_4th.jpg)

And since stoptheinvasion's brother was allegedly scammed in a relationship with a Russian immigrant, she vows to another immigrant (saying that the original poster only said she was Black to gain sympathy) posting at Brand X "...You are definitely not someone I want in my country. anything I can do to get you deported I will do.".

(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/STI_5th.jpg)

Florida is "...[sic] an hispanic crime ridden dump..." and "florida latinos are fomer cuban nationals who should never have been allowed to come to the USA and who should be deported..."

(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/STI_6th.jpg)

There quite a bit of stuff over a month, some I have captured...

And if you want to go through the posts yourself: http://tinyurl.com/yujbc2

Hold on to that stuff, I'm sure the NCLR will want it as evidence if Gheenie tries to sue.

I wonder if he belongs to the Oregon anti immigrant group who recently had a prominent member arrested for serial pedophilia?

http://causaoregon.blogspot.com/2008/01/charges-mount-against-oregon-anti.html (http://causaoregon.blogspot.com/2008/01/charges-mount-against-oregon-anti.html)

She, it's a woman.  Check out the thread on the guy that beat his wife, she's one of the women on there that complains about men marrying  foreign women.  She also says she could never be attracted to a third world man except ones from "civilized" nations like Sweden or England. I'm not kidding, check out the thread.
Combined with the all cat avatars, I'm beginning to see a picture of what these people are like.

Oprah viewers?

Don't offend Oprah like that.  ;)
Besides, they hate her.

Oh that's right - wrong color.

Looking tonight, "stoptheinvasion..." last had a post yesterday, and the signature is simply marked "banned". Whether that is official from Brand X, and for how long, remains to be seen. However it does add to my belief that we are watched here.

[Waves back at Brand X, but the best I can muster for all of the effort is 20%...]

 I guess whole We Can Stop the Hate Campaign has Gheen scared. She's not even the worst of the bunch.  If they don't get banned, then we know it's because of us that "stoptheforeigninvasion" was banned.

Willy is ready to blow a gasket! He claims to be on 4 hours of sleep a night, presumably working hard for the cause (and coming up with the announcement for the "February Fundraiser" at the same time). It's starting to show:

http://tinyurl.com/2mzrgm

"1. Pinestraw, stop telling people to grow up and get the H off your back. You have to cool down and stay cool.

2. I too am very concerned about Mitt Romney's push for biometric ID for all Americans. In fact, his pushing of this plan has blown away about half of the support he could have previously earned from the anti illegal immigration crowd.

3. This is a valid discussion.

4. It is not required for our supporters to not raise valid concerns about Romney, but some may want to consider that considering the situation.

5. USANevada, please don't ever use the "black helicopter" accusation on a site where we have the unfortunate task of bringing many things to light people dont know or are skeptical about. That is a beneath the belt blow.

EVERYONE FOR THE 8th time, please knock this CRAP OFF! Stop abusing each other. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT.

What does it take?

If we go to bans again, I'm going to develop such a low threshold for the bans it is going to radically change the makeup of these boards.

I'm tired of asking and I'm tired of those of you that keep hitting low on each other taking away from my work and what little family time I still have which aint much.

Take anything close to an insult and anything close to profanity out of your posts NOW.

Some of you are hurting ALIPAC a great deal due to your lack of self control. You are hurting our cause.

You are embarrassing us in front of the nation and our enemies.

I mean it.

W"

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http://tinyurl.com/33lsd7

"The vast majority of you are great folks that have no problem abiding by our rules and expected conduct here at ALIPAC.

A small percentage of you are showing a lack of self control and insulting each other and breaking our rules.

Those of you engaged in such conduct are not the kind of people we are looking for at ALIPAC.

We are going to fix that now and for good.

The few of you doing this are showing that you are willing to disregard multiple attempts to get you to stop.

You are harming ALIPAC. You are harming our cause, and you are an acting in a way that is an embarrassment before our supporters and opposition alike.

This is the final warning. No more talking about it.

I am going to quickly and permanently ban anyone that violates the rules, uses anything close to profanity or that insults other users in anyway.

House cleaning time. You have taken enough from our organization as it is.

W"

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http://tinyurl.com/34swbt

"I'm sitting here giving strong consideration to banning Pine and UsaNevada for good right now.

See my final warning.

[link removed]

Have you two noticed that most of our others users are not making these kinds of problematic comments?

W"

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But it is still business as usual elsewhere on Brand X:

A moderator cuts the word "cockroaches" out of a post, but still leaves up enough to see the context (which makes me wonder when I see a "(MOD EDIT)" for the entire post a couple places)...

http://tinyurl.com/35jf5s

"They are like (MOD EDIT). Turn on the light and they go scurring off somewhere else. Not always far though."

(http://www.IBMMuseum.com/Roaches.jpg)

This is great! Right after Brand X released an e-mail broadcast backing Romney as the most viable candidate, another big rumour hits that he is part of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). Willy instantly has self-doubt with a spectre of the NAU, and wants confirmation ("We need to know, I wish someone had placed this info for analysis before we sent out today's email alert. We need this looked into rapidly."). Dixie to the forefront:

"I'm looking into this. Takes time to get good results.

The problem is, there are so many people running around the Internet spreading bad information and when you try to search for the truth, you hit their garbage, over and over again."

For once I'm in agreement with Dixie, I keep hitting that garbage over and over...

(http://www.IBMMuseum.com/DixieGarbage.jpg)

But later he jokes around, alluding to the "(MOD EDIT)" Brand X's moderators have to constantly do on profanity (I also have a screenshot of an Alicrapper that recently had his post edited by a moderator for profanity that was *not* even temporarily banned) and racism within posts (sometimes the whole post):

(http://www.ibmmuseum.com/SelfEdit.jpg)

How about a self-banning?...

Yep. Loss of composure it is.

....weird  :048:

http://tinyurl.com/28apyd

1.) "LegalUSCitizen" (a Brand X moderator, actually one of the last additions to that position) suspects a woman is involved in Medicaid fraud.

2.) She has a Social Security card that looks "just like" the one they have, but is thought to be a fake.

3.) She has a Medicaid card, but since she has ID from Mexico and speaks Spanish he thinks that she is not entitled to Medicaid, like a U.S. citizen or legal immigrant (normally after 5 years) is.

We have another Brand X moderator, "PhredE" reply: "If you honestly think it was a case of Medicaid fraud you should report it.", to which "LegalUSCitizen" says: "I deal with medicaid fraud all the time [so they have seen it all, and know every case where it is a fraud?]. There's nothing I can really do."...

An Alicrapper then tells "LegalUSCitizen" that that is "aiding and abetting" Medicaid fraud (assumably by an illegal alien)...

Whatever happened to respecting the moderators at Brand X?...

A third Brand X moderator, "MountainDog" comments: "The point here as I see it is that a person from Mexico [maybe a legal immigrant or naturalized U.S. citizen that is legally entitled to Medicaid] can receive meds paid for by tax payers while an American [assumed because he is Black] who has worked all his life here ["LegalUSCitizen" did not say this man had "worked all of his life", just that he had lost his job in the auto industry; Typically this is also generically blamed on illegal immigrants at Brand X too] has to buy only part of what he needs because he can't afford it."...

Actually there are some immigrants that don't have to wait 5 years for Medicaid benefits, they can be immediately awarded: Spouses of Active Duty servicemembers (also refugee and asylees, but this woman is from Mexico), including cases where the servicemember has died in the line of duty and the spouse has not remarried...

My point is this woman could have been married to a servicemember serving our country overseas, risking his life and even dying for it, and his wife is still tagged as a possible illegal immigrant engaged in Medicaid fraud with a fake Social Security card...

And three moderators at Brand X can't see through their bias to realize it...

Maybe "LegalUSCitizen" deals with less Medicaid fraud than they think they do...

Oh, and they need a Spanish-speaker on the staff of that pharmacy...

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/alexdeceased/Picture4.png)

"lots of illegals have close ties to the Mexican Mafia "

"Life is cheap in illegal alien land."

I dont know about you guys, but i really think Bill seriously needs some mental help.

I mean,  you just cant say stuff like that without being legally insane, unless you were born retarded.

I thought most Alicrappers have a self-described sixth sense to detect illegals at whim, and ¨bobowobo¨ dated and fathered a child by a woman without knowing?...


Pay child support for about the next 12 years without trying to be too much of an ass...

And stop trying to ask Brand X for legal advise...

¨Bobowobo¨ never said any nationality (if he even knows himself), so why is Willy talking about Mexicans? Life is even cheaper to a bastard American that wants to throw the mother of his child to the wolves. Instead of saying ¨be careful¨, Willy should have said ¨be responsible¨.

EDIT: Brand X has this thread at http://tinyurl.com/576n57 in case anyone else is interested. It would be about 14 more years of child support, as "bobowobo" says his daughter is age 4 right now (and he hates it when she wants to watch George Lopez when he has custody on the weekends). He has (re)married at this point, and his main beef in posts otherwise at Brand X say that his new wife can't get a job at McDonalds or Subway in the Dallas area, because they just hire "illegals" (Suddenly Mr. "I didn't know she was illegal" is able to label them because of their "broken English").

See the common misconception later on the thread that if an immigrant, documented or undocumented, marries a U.S. citizen then they are provided instant U.S. citizenship...

I refuse to believe some of these people are real.
They ... have to be some sort of grotesque personnae, created by a someone with the purpose of illustrating a point.
The guy you just referred to, IBMMUseum, he cannot, cannot be real.
It is as when you watch a movie and say to yourself: "Nooo, nobody is that stupid".

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